Literally the only reason why the price of this is going up is because collectors are buying as many of them as possible... If this suggestion doesn't get accepted and we wait like 3 months, the price of it will fall to its original 'right' price. No joke, I bought over 150 of them (and I still have them) like 2-3 months ago for 0.77-1.00 ref and there were no collectors back then, and now suddenly tons of them popped up and there they crash the price of it.
Okay. Does that mean that the price shouldn’t increase?
This is borderline price manipulation. This is comparable to that thing where people buy all the existing copies of a particular not really popular item and then try to pretend to trade an item for that item that you've listed, and when they buy it from the market, you just then remove them from friends. It's kind of hard to explain, but that is one of the scamming methods people used to do.
If people are buying and selling for more than the current price, regardless of collectors and such, shouldn’t the price be increased?
Nobody is selling Conscientious Objectors for 0.66–1 ref at the moment.
I'm just pointing out what's happening right now.
Just saw your comment. I’m trying to stop this from happening but apparently 5 pieces of evidence is not enough to stop this
Hello sir I have evidence that would lower the bottom price to 1 ref
you should probably change your listing to include the 1 ref minimum!
thanks!
One sale for such a common item doesn’t define its price.
i realize that. However, this sale should demonstrate that these conscientious objectors CAN go for that low, also, with collectors collecting them, the price is going up making this item cost more than it should.
I bought a Détective Noir for 3.44 ref, yet its price still went up to 5 ref, and now it’s possibly increasing to 7 ref as well.
There will always be a couple sales lower than the price of a common item. That’s nothing special.
If there were multiple sales at 1 ref, the low value should be 1 ref.
i will find more sellers selling at 1 ref i remember meeting a person on a vsh server, so maybe that can demonstrate this to you
That guy was probably just unaware that everybo is buying and selling this item at a price higher than 1 ref.
A sale is still a sale
Yeah, but like I said, I don’t think one sale is enough for such a common item.
2 sales, and 2 listings. There is a market out there for 1 refined signs, you just didn't include them in your post.
Also, why did you dislike all of my comments in this matter? that's pretty rude.
Gallent hasn't had Objectors for 3 weeks since I bought all of his, so that seller can be ruled out. WrongMario ran out of signs in under a day, so it could likely be considered that his were quick sells. That only leaves 1 other sale at 1 ref, which as Babies stated, can be ruled out for such a common item as an outlier sale. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I'm seeing
I am creeped out by you calling me “Babies.”
Nevertheless, I agree with you.
I bought 2 signs from 2 different people for 1 ref... and they never stated it was a quicksell in the description
Then I believe that the signs that you traded for was from someone who was unaware of what the sign was actually being sold for. The person who was selling it for 1 refined could've just looked at the outdated backpack.tf price, that being 0.66-1 refined and put it up for that price.
looks like he removed his buy-order and given the new seller that is selling 24 at 2 ref a piece it's safe to not include 2.11 in the range.
accepting as better than current
It's back again.
What’s back?
The old price. few sellers at 0.66-0.77
I do not see any sellers at that price.
the dude who was selling one at that price was offline for ~12 hours with only the "add me" option, and the one selling at 1.33 can't actually be bought since it is untradeable.
Time for a raise!
— 18 bought for 1.55 ref each from two different trading bots: https://i.imgur.com/a2UEOom.png / https://i.imgur.com/GiPYnml.png / https://i.imgur.com/3GxUAJW.png / https://i.imgur.com/z3M4bJv.png / https://i.imgur.com/rGIPzeP.png
— Sold for 1.55 ref: https://i.imgur.com/0KbtzR8.png / https://backpack.tf/item/6336421429
— Sold for 1.66 ref: https://i.imgur.com/suw5b37.png / https://backpack.tf/item/4598119904
— Buy order for 1.66 ref (this person’s buying a lot of Conscientious Objectors!): https://i.imgur.com/dSffZp8.png
— Sold for 1.88 ref: https://i.imgur.com/1cHHpTE.png / https://backpack.tf/item/6491163923
— 18 sold for 1.88 ref each (34 ref in total): https://i.imgur.com/ZG7pFWp.png
— Sold for 2 ref: https://i.imgur.com/PnCj9dF.png / https://backpack.tf/item/5334505527
— Sold for 2 ref: https://i.imgur.com/xYz43cF.png / https://backpack.tf/item/6122266308
— Sell orders for 2 ref: https://i.imgur.com/Jy6xgkC.png
— Fresh buy order for 2 ref: https://i.imgur.com/vdRzcOK.png
— Six bought for 1.66 ref each: https://i.imgur.com/SGTltNd.png / https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198081631601#!/compare/1514592000/1514678400
— Two sold for 2 ref each: https://i.imgur.com/cNC7fOl.png / https://backpack.tf/item/5566987975 / https://backpack.tf/item/6477692854
— Two sold for 2 ref each: https://i.imgur.com/EoCGsGg.png / https://backpack.tf/item/3598563893 / https://backpack.tf/item/6361393852
— The buy order for 2 ref by human is now gone, suggesting that he bought a Conscientious Objector for 2 ref: https://i.imgur.com/vdRzcOK.png
— Buy order for 2 ref: https://i.imgur.com/hfsn5TN.png
Yuri was buying many Conscientious Objectors for 2 ref each.
Unfortunately, I don’t have a screenshot of the buy order or an archived version of the page.
(What’s up with the links, by the way? They don’t work.)
I can support the low end, I bought a bunch yesterday for 1.55 each - https://imgur.com/a/lEQmC
Literally the only reason why the price of this is going up is because collectors are buying as many of them as possible... If this suggestion doesn't get accepted and we wait like 3 months, the price of it will fall to its original 'right' price. No joke, I bought over 150 of them (and I still have them) like 2-3 months ago for 0.77-1.00 ref and there were no collectors back then, and now suddenly tons of them popped up and there they crash the price of it.
Okay. Does that mean that the price shouldn’t increase?
This is borderline price manipulation. This is comparable to that thing where people buy all the existing copies of a particular not really popular item and then try to pretend to trade an item for that item that you've listed, and when they buy it from the market, you just then remove them from friends. It's kind of hard to explain, but that is one of the scamming methods people used to do.
If people are buying and selling for more than the current price, regardless of collectors and such, shouldn’t the price be increased?
Nobody is selling Conscientious Objectors for 0.66–1 ref at the moment.
I'm just pointing out what's happening right now.
Just saw your comment. I’m trying to stop this from happening but apparently 5 pieces of evidence is not enough to stop this
Hello sir I have evidence that would lower the bottom price to 1 ref
https://imgur.com/N5a4bvu
you should probably change your listing to include the 1 ref minimum!
thanks!
One sale for such a common item doesn’t define its price.
i realize that. However, this sale should demonstrate that these conscientious objectors CAN go for that low, also, with collectors collecting them, the price is going up making this item cost more than it should.
I bought a Détective Noir for 3.44 ref, yet its price still went up to 5 ref, and now it’s possibly increasing to 7 ref as well.
There will always be a couple sales lower than the price of a common item. That’s nothing special.
If there were multiple sales at 1 ref, the low value should be 1 ref.
i will find more sellers selling at 1 ref i remember meeting a person on a vsh server, so maybe that can demonstrate this to you
That guy was probably just unaware that everybo is buying and selling this item at a price higher than 1 ref.
A sale is still a sale
Yeah, but like I said, I don’t think one sale is enough for such a common item.
Straight from outpost.tf
https://imgur.com/IGS16h2
you can probably tell by now that i care about the sign...
Third proof
https://imgur.com/JnE83yK
From this we can see that multiple sellers and buyers are exchanging the sign for 1 REFINED
Yes, I can tell by your… decals.
So, overall, we have 3 sales/listings that prove it should still be 1 ref, making this suggestion invalid imo
Listings ≠ sales.
However, it is still proof that the price SHOULD still be 1 refined. There is an economy for 1 refined signs out there.
I have one more sale to prove that the sign should be 1 refined
https://imgur.com/x19XbzZ
2 sales, and 2 listings. There is a market out there for 1 refined signs, you just didn't include them in your post.
Also, why did you dislike all of my comments in this matter? that's pretty rude.
Gallent hasn't had Objectors for 3 weeks since I bought all of his, so that seller can be ruled out. WrongMario ran out of signs in under a day, so it could likely be considered that his were quick sells. That only leaves 1 other sale at 1 ref, which as Babies stated, can be ruled out for such a common item as an outlier sale. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I'm seeing
I am creeped out by you calling me “Babies.”
Nevertheless, I agree with you.
I bought 2 signs from 2 different people for 1 ref... and they never stated it was a quicksell in the description
Then I believe that the signs that you traded for was from someone who was unaware of what the sign was actually being sold for. The person who was selling it for 1 refined could've just looked at the outdated backpack.tf price, that being 0.66-1 refined and put it up for that price.
There is clearly a market for 1 refined Signs...
here's the fifth proof
https://imgur.com/a/hCejJ
OP is clearly ignoring the 1 refined market for signs, this price suggestion is ignoring the lower sales ON PURPOSE.
Multiple buyers all over the place for >1 ref, so any sale @ 1 ref is likely a quicksell - https://imgur.com/a/9o6EQ
If anything, price might be higher than this suggestion.
I can support the 2 ref part as I bought multiple for 2 ref each.
https://imgur.com/a/NESj0
https://imgur.com/a/cXNJb
https://imgur.com/a/tIN6E
Ignore the other trades but yeah, I originally buying for 2.22 but resorted to just 2
I sold 18 Conscientious Objectors for 1.88 ref each to some guy or gal who then decided to buy them for 2 ref each instead a day or so after.
The worst part is that I asked them if they could buy them for 2 ref each, and they declined. Shortly after, they’re buying many more for 2 ref each.
FML.
Buyorder at 1.77 ~ Countering the 1.55 ref in range.0
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198044075358#!/compare/1515283200/1515369600 - bought for 2.11
Need more than one sale.
looks like he removed his buy-order and given the new seller that is selling 24 at 2 ref a piece it's safe to not include 2.11 in the range.
accepting as better than current
It's back again.
What’s back?
The old price. few sellers at 0.66-0.77
I do not see any sellers at that price.
the dude who was selling one at that price was offline for ~12 hours with only the "add me" option, and the one selling at 1.33 can't actually be bought since it is untradeable.