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Credits to Hugh Mungus for some evidence in previous suggestions
https://backpack.tf/suggestion/5a5849d8cf6c75569751c3d9
Sale 1: https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198022082021#!/compare/1515628800/1515715200
Sold for 200 pure, some don't show but Buyer confirmed 200 in previous suggestion
X=200
Sale 2: https://backpack.tf/item/6007923969
Likely friend/alt trade, unusable
Sellers: 500 keys fresh and was 575$~295 keys on marketplace.tf: https://marketplace.tf/items/30542;5;u17
He proceeded to raise his price to dodge suggestion
https://gyazo.com/e907a88ab14b913ca17244d807b4769b
No idea how long it's been at this price but supported the drop.
Sale at 300$ in August, outdated but supports the drop. Appears to have been on marketplace for 10ish months but not sure of price
https://backpack.tf/item/3953612987
Buyers: 130 keys
Sales: 200
Given the old price and scorching are burning being dropped by alot, this seems reasonable. Going with 200 flat
With all due respect, I gave a well informed response to your price suggestion and your best response was that I am a salty trader who bought a overpriced unusual. I suggest that if you want to defend your claim, its best not to use the well known logical fallacy ad hominem by attacking me personally. Here is the link to the suggestion with the remarks I made.
https://backpack.tf/suggestion/5a5847b0cf6c75107005fcfa
the issue with this hat is its highly inflated and here's why
https://backpack.tf/unusual/Coldsnap%20Cap
hundreds of keys above scorching
https://backpack.tf/stats/Unusual/Coldsnap%20Cap/Tradable/Craftable/17
beams 1 year out of date
https://backpack.tf/suggestion/5a4d7eeecf6c754fcf72b012
scorching updated last week
now is 200 a QS yes, should it be used, probs not BUT this hat is very very inflated and saying this hat is worth a key more then scorching would be fiction
Idk man. This seems like a qs to me. I would at least wait for more sales *Edit* There are four polar caps in existence. Have you verified that there are no other usable sales?
I agree that the unusual is relatively old and has not been resugessted with respect to bp.tf price suggestions. Where I do not agree is basing the price of an unusual with a particular effect relative to other effects. Yes, sometimes some unusuals with lower tier effects are overpriced and outdated (i.e. circling hearts galvanized gibus) but in instances where the prices were set and deemed not overpriced, the price change of one with a similar effect should not cause the other to drop significantly without sufficient evidence of sales at a lower evaluation. Take for instance a purple energy war pig priced at 420 and the green energy war pig priced at 360. If the purple energy war pig were to be sold at a much lower evaluation, lets say for 300 keys, that does not suddenly justify that the green energy war pig must be overpriced and outdated and must be devalued. Although I do agree that the effect of unusuals do give a rough outline of its price, the price of an unusual with a different effect should not affect the price of another. Prices should be decided based on true sales, not quicksells, for that unusual only, not others.
I only used it as an example to show that the sunbeams at 425 is absurd even Sexy Sparta bought his for 300 in cash
But the warpig likely wouldn't have a 1 year old price and have had a seller over 100 keys below BP price
Now my example is not perfect. I am sure I can find a better example that represents my point. But my idea I was trying to get across was that although the scorching coldsnap cap decreased in value from a single sale, it does not justify that both burning and sunbeams are severely overpriced to the point where the value must be sliced in half and that the price must come from a quicksell.
Can confirm as seller, sold for 200 Pure.
https://imgur.com/fq6HbB1
How long did it take from u listing?
Probably a week or so. Was unboxed by myself and along with just some bumps on Outpost while I was working, I'd say a week. 200 was my intended B/O.
Sold within at least 5 days of listing.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/29508174
Does seem like a QS
Torb you should know by now that quicksells are not valid proof for price suggestions. Downvote.
Yet you thought 25 keys for a strange arcana commando elite was valid proof??
I never did a suggestion on the Arcana Commando Elite.
Sorry, got it confused, you were just the one who bought it for really cheap
Downvote. Quicksales can't be used.
https://imgur.com/a/83Ea2
https://imgur.com/a/Sv0c7
https://imgur.com/a/Q5Udi
Sold with c.a.p.p.e.r and mechamedies for insomnia ke and terror watt woolen warmer. Later traded back but supports the drop.
Considering business "trade backs" almost never occur, this does not qualify as sufficient evidence of drop in price. Instead of jumping to conclusions, research their connections as more than one reason could have caused that trade such as them being friends, another account, etc. It is jumping the gun by claiming that it supports the drop.
Actually I'm friends with him, he said he traded for it and realized there was a suggestion to drop it so he asked the guy if they could trade back and they did
There are a couple large holes in your story. First off, this suggestion for 200 keys is already preposterous, but calculating how much your "friend" sold his sunbeams coldsnap cap for is far less than what this suggestion is pricing it at. Insomnia KE is priced at 100-150 with the cheapest seller at 120. Terror watt woolen warmer is priced at 46 keys. This generates a total of 166 keys. In addition, your "friend" added little over 2 keys with the capper and the mechamedies. So the amount he received is 166-2 = 164 keys. This suggestion prices the sunbeams coldsnap cap at 200. Your story does not make sense with your "friend" wanting to trade back when their was a suggestion to drop the price of the coldsnap cap to 200 keys since he is already so called "selling" it for 164 keys. Considering the current price is 425, it makes no sense what so ever for your "friend" to freak out and want to "trade back" because their is a suggestion to lower it to 200. This can only be explained in 3 reasons. First, either your "friend" got sharked, but highly unlikely as he got his items back. Second, the person he traded with is his friend so he gave his items back. Or third, you fabricated this story to try desperately to pick up the pieces of this suggestion.
Well first, how would I have gotten screenshots of a trade offer if I fabricated this. Second, my friend is the one who owned the killer exclusive, not the other way around. Third, why would I have to fabricate evidence for a sale when I've already got your shitty purchase. Last, if you still don't believe me I'm happy to upload chat logs.
You don't seem to understand what I am getting across. Look back at the pictures. They show the sunbeams coldsnap cap + mechamedies + capper for an insomnia KE and a terror watt woolen warmer. So let me break it down for you once again...
Items Lost: Sunbeams Coldsnap Cap (425 keys) + Mechamedies (4.88 ref) + Capper (1.9-2 keys) = 427 keys
Items Received: Insomnia KE (120) + Terror Watt Woolen Warmer (46) = 166
KE: https://backpack.tf/stats/Unusual/Killer%20Exclusive/Tradable/Craftable/109
Woolen Warmer: https://backpack.tf/stats/Unusual/Woolen%20Warmer/Tradable/Craftable/57
Now showing the "fear" the owner of the coldsnap cap with the price suggestion of the coldsnap at 200.
Items Lost: Sunbeams Coldsnap Cap (200 keys) + Mechamedies (4.88 ref) + Capper (1.9-2 keys) = 202 keys
Items Received: Insomnia KE (120) + Terror Watt Woolen Warmer (46) = 166
It does not make sense for the original owner of the coldsnap to suddenly feel "shook" by a price drop to 200 because in both situations, he has already lost a significant amount of value. This is highlighted the most with the first trade when the coldsnap cap suggestion for 200 had not been created yet. In that case, he lost 427-166 = 261 keys and it does not make sense for him to trade back with an uncertain price suggestion now and not before.
https://imgur.com/fq6HbB1
Thanks, buyer also commented on suggestion confirming