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As per the evidence above, there is no longer a reason to spend 32.88 per key when there are so many alternative 32.77 sellers. Consequently, the price for keys should be flat at 32.77. 32.66, right now, seems like a quicksell price, which is why it also isn't included in the range.
Very pointless change?
Needs sales to backup the data points too, sellers/buyers alone isn't enough for a Key suggestion.
Sales are in the tf2outpost sellers and bot histories.
The bot.tf screenshot is just 2 Numbers. Anyone can make a suggestion of mspaint in that case.
The outpost listings are just listings, you need to prove (with the use of compare links) for sales.
oh and btw, sorry. By bot I meant the trading bots, not bot.tf.
the change of it is too small mate
It's a key suggestion. It's not like I'm changing a hat from 1 ref to 1-1.11. Keys should be as accurate as possible, in my opinion. YMMV.
Sellers below suggested price ._.
Less than one page of 32.66 sellers. Probably out to get quick ref.
I don't really see this as a necessary change and you haven't really proved that 32.88 isn't selling
It's closer to 32.66-32.77 than 32.77-32.88. There are enough sellers under to make it unnecessary to include 32.88. See what I said to "tradeit.gg mannco.trade" beneath this (if it's not already downvoted to oblivion).
There isn't even 1 full page below 32.88? Besides, we price keys in particular based on volume of sales not sellers. This is an unnecessary change with a minimal amount of sale proof. Closing.
Check all previous accepted suggestions, they all have a significant change of ref(s) not 0.11 ref.
Glad we’re fixing that .05 ref.....
Good to know you haven't read the rules and the clarification that notes that key prices are immune to the 5% rule.
Just because it’s allowed doesn’t mean it good or nessisary 🤷♂️
Look, let's take a step back for a second, and before you parade me with your drive-by feigned downvotes and insincere comments, hear me out. This suggestion probably won't pass, and I've accepted that. Every day someone comes in here and says something of ambiguous merit. I won't close this suggestion as I want to leave it up to a mod that has not commented, or that I haven't disagreed with recently over the 5% rule, even though it doesn't apply to key suggestions, which I mentioned three days ago, only to get -8 votes. Perhaps it's the temperamental attitude I've displayed during this suggestion that has inveigled people to the downvote button. I think my composure throughout this misery-fueled disaster has been adequate. I don't appreciate being told I don't know how the site works, especially when, in some cases, my final suggestion before eschewing is older than their whole Steam account. and my replies have conveyed this in a manner I deemed not too harsh or unsympathetic.
Keys, as of late, have sold for 32.66 (around 2 days into this), then 32.77 (at the suggestion date and up until today), and then 32.88 has crawled its way back out of the gutter where it resides to plague the classifieds. Really, this should have a 32.66-32.88 range, but you'll be kidding yourself if you think I'd subject myself to another trial through hell with my pants down.
Anywho, I'm gonna leave this suggestion up, as I said before, until an uninvolved moderator reviews all aspects. Until then, I'll leave you with some R.E.M. lyrics to ponder.
Blanket statements:
Two pages of classifieds selling keys at 32.77.
Scrap.tf is selling them at 32.77: https://scrap.tf/keys
Trade.tf is selling them at 32.77: http://www.trade.tf/mybots/sellers/Mann%20Co.%20Supply%20Crate%20Key (no mention of 32.88)
TF2Outpost sellers at 32.77:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/29738533
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/28771818
TF2Outpost buyers (kings of lowballing):
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/29739568 [new] 32.55
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/29718681 32.33
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/29711160 32.33
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/28700061 32
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/28660704 34 (out of ref)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/28805089 32.55
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/29692178 32
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/27623733 32.55
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/27428948 32
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/29737380 32
Screenshots:
Scrap.tf pricing: https://gyazo.com/dbfa029a1444ec58cb4165a62bddc1dd
Bot.tf suggested prices: https://gyazo.com/8df59e5771c0587aff89d76990a99036
Trade.tf archived: https://gyazo.com/160bd45223d1218e59377ca81526992d
Classifieds, including sellers at 32.66 (but this is countered by 32.77 buyers): https://gyazo.com/9d667961982d549169a10b3bb08d7d18
As per the evidence above, there is no longer a reason to spend 32.88 per key when there are so many alternative 32.77 sellers. Consequently, the price for keys should be flat at 32.77. 32.66, right now, seems like a quicksell price, which is why it also isn't included in the range.
Very pointless change?
Needs sales to backup the data points too, sellers/buyers alone isn't enough for a Key suggestion.
Sales are in the tf2outpost sellers and bot histories.
The bot.tf screenshot is just 2 Numbers. Anyone can make a suggestion of mspaint in that case.
The outpost listings are just listings, you need to prove (with the use of compare links) for sales.
Just look at previous suggestions - https://backpack.tf/suggestion/5a9ae84644325a278a0962d9 + https://backpack.tf/suggestion/5ad26bc3cf6c7558390514a1
This was certainly easier four years ago, where all you needed to do to lower a price was to provide people willing to sell it at lower.
I'll try to get some sales.
https://backpack.tf/item/6818788914 - sold for 32.77 (https://imgur.com/a/tsZfHrT).
https://backpack.tf/item/7050484045 - assumed sold for 32.77 (remainder of ref include: https://backpack.tf/item/7057288262 https://backpack.tf/item/6730188237)
https://backpack.tf/item/7035137157 - assumed sold for 32.77 (ref include: https://backpack.tf/item/6186507784 https://backpack.tf/item/5835817918 https://backpack.tf/item/6483300968)
etc.
oh and btw, sorry. By bot I meant the trading bots, not bot.tf.
the change of it is too small mate
It's a key suggestion. It's not like I'm changing a hat from 1 ref to 1-1.11. Keys should be as accurate as possible, in my opinion. YMMV.
Sellers below suggested price ._.
Less than one page of 32.66 sellers. Probably out to get quick ref.
I don't really see this as a necessary change and you haven't really proved that 32.88 isn't selling
It's closer to 32.66-32.77 than 32.77-32.88. There are enough sellers under to make it unnecessary to include 32.88. See what I said to "tradeit.gg mannco.trade" beneath this (if it's not already downvoted to oblivion).
There isn't even 1 full page below 32.88? Besides, we price keys in particular based on volume of sales not sellers. This is an unnecessary change with a minimal amount of sale proof. Closing.
Check all previous accepted suggestions, they all have a significant change of ref(s) not 0.11 ref.
Glad we’re fixing that .05 ref.....
Good to know you haven't read the rules and the clarification that notes that key prices are immune to the 5% rule.
Just because it’s allowed doesn’t mean it good or nessisary 🤷♂️
whatever your belief may be, this discussion shouldn't be taking place here. https://forums.backpack.tf/topic/67970-lets-discuss-the-minor-changes-rule/
Well, there needs to be a range; buyer's counter this price as we speak.
One unbumped, two day old buyer with an interest in buying one more. Quite lacklustre, wouldn't you say?
32.77 sell orders are all gone, this is no longer valid
This is going nowhere. Everything I say gets downvoted, but whatever. Here's some proof to negate what you said.
http://tinyimg.io/i/U5iHbhs.jpeg
http://tinyimg.io/i/HHthMdc.jpeg
Illegitimi non carborundum
http://tinyimg.io/i/HHthMdc.jpeg is gone again
http://tinyimg.io/i/U5iHbhs.jpeg is always out of stock
It's pretty obvious that 32.77 and 32.88 are both common trading points.
https://gyazo.com/3f9bb1d6b20784cac40f5925f3af67ca
https://gyazo.com/1fc3cc5f509fc56e19b8f1df6108e590
Two more sold:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/29744830
Look, let's take a step back for a second, and before you parade me with your drive-by feigned downvotes and insincere comments, hear me out. This suggestion probably won't pass, and I've accepted that. Every day someone comes in here and says something of ambiguous merit. I won't close this suggestion as I want to leave it up to a mod that has not commented, or that I haven't disagreed with recently over the 5% rule, even though it doesn't apply to key suggestions, which I mentioned three days ago, only to get -8 votes. Perhaps it's the temperamental attitude I've displayed during this suggestion that has inveigled people to the downvote button. I think my composure throughout this misery-fueled disaster has been adequate. I don't appreciate being told I don't know how the site works, especially when, in some cases, my final suggestion before eschewing is older than their whole Steam account. and my replies have conveyed this in a manner I deemed not too harsh or unsympathetic.
Keys, as of late, have sold for 32.66 (around 2 days into this), then 32.77 (at the suggestion date and up until today), and then 32.88 has crawled its way back out of the gutter where it resides to plague the classifieds. Really, this should have a 32.66-32.88 range, but you'll be kidding yourself if you think I'd subject myself to another trial through hell with my pants down.
Anywho, I'm gonna leave this suggestion up, as I said before, until an uninvolved moderator reviews all aspects. Until then, I'll leave you with some R.E.M. lyrics to ponder.
I used to think
As birds take wing
They sing through life so why can't we?
You cling to this
You claim the best
If this is what you're offering
I'll take the rain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlIj6BxUS6E
Sales at 32.88:
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/bj8Ll0jioF2gyhSdJDDJrDB8v_oxOd4uXbGHvVxysk0/%3Fid%3D5b79f93fe81a1f383a9a15b7/https/tf2automatic.com/trades?width=365&height=436
https://gyazo.com/d07316beb853abe7d1bd6508f13744dc
https://gyazo.com/628a7cd57a7f69f82656453246989e08
Could find more.