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Sale 1:
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198083134207#!/compare/1538956800/1539043200
SCM, Sold for 26.95 CAD
Keys at 3.10 CAD
Total is 8.69 keys
Taking 8.5 keys flat.
It indeed was a quickbuy. Would have paid 12 keys too for it ;)
Buyers over this price.
I'd be suspicious as they were made after the suggestion was made.
If their was proof that those buyers were buying at that price before the listings were reset, I'd close this now.
Well i don't think that matters, i don't think that many people knew that this hat with that effect existed at all, but idk, waiting for mods i guess
Even if they were made afterwards, considering there are 2 buyers above your suggested price, they counter this because anybody could sell this for over your suggested price whenever they wanted.
I find it suspect that they were made immediately after my suggestion went up.
And I doubt that they could sell this over the suggested price, simply because:
A) it hasn't happened yet. Oddfuture hasn't sold at 22 since before this suggestion.
B) Those buyers are most likely gonna disappear if this suggestion is accepted.
Well its likely they appeared because of this suggestion, since once it showed up in recent suggestions people figured may as well make a buy order, especially considering they are both from very high tier traders with a ton of buy orders on a lot of items. Your second point is "if" this suggestion gets accepted, which, again, because buy orders counter this price, likely won't happen.
My issue is that, as far as I know, those Buy Orders could be counters made because of this suggestion, which, as the rules state, makes them invalid for use.
The other way is that buy orders, as the rules also state, would also likely be ignored in this suggestion because the sale at the time of the market could not have sold to the new buy orders now.
The fact that at that time, it didn't sell to a buy order, makes it (at least to me) clear that those buy orders are either Counters made because of this suggestion, or inflated based solely on the seller without taking the suggestion into account.
Suggestion or no suggestion, they are there ready to buy it for over this price, so maybe 8.5 is just too low. I would pay 11 minimum myself.
I'll point you to this suggestion:
https://www.backpack.tf/suggestion/5b15768e44325a5c6d075852
Point 3 is especially compelling.
This suggestion is relative to the time of the sale; NOT to the here and now. The sale is valid because, despite being under 2 buy orders, all those generic buy orders, and SCM buy orders do not counter it, not to mention the fact that the user could not have sold to Impressive or ǍгᴄᴀɴД because the BO did not exist then.
Unless another sale pops up, this stays open.
Yeah your right, time is an important detail. For all we know, those buy orders sprung up to counter this suggestion.
HOWEVER, for all you know, these buy orders aren't here to disrupt the suggestion. This is a really obscure hat, old unpriced 2016s especially on the more rare and unpopular hats like the Toy Tailor, are often overlooked. Buy orders, more often then not, latch onto priced hats and especially on hats that people would actually want to place a buy order for. I, and probably the buyers at 10 and 11, didn't even realise this hat existed. They probably saw this suggestion and just threw in a buy order, not even considering the suggestion for lower.
If they weren't here before the suggestion its likely due to them not being aware of the hat's existance, case closed...
Case Closed? You just admitted that for all you know, it could be the case that those buy orders were made to counter this suggestion.
I don't either, but I'm going to lean towards that the buy orders do not counter, but for different reasons other than the ones you are arguing.
All I'm saying is that the buy orders showing up all of a sudden is that your suggestion brought this hat into knowledge, thus causing these people to go and place another regular buy order on it. They don't care about what it sold for previously, they are just present here to offer this, and that 8.5 is too low when they could just sell to them for more.
The whole point of a price suggestion is to reflect what a hat sells for, however the fact that the buy orders are above this, regardless of when they were posted, means the hat can sell above the suggested value at any given and thus it means it does not reflect what the hat can sell for. Even if the suggestion is relative, buy orders may as well be a sale to counter this considering that, at any given time if the current owner wanted to, they could sell this hat for 11 keys.
My thoughts exactly, thanks for 'supporting'.
Except I am reflecting what this hat has sold for. 8.5 keys. Proofs right there.
What there isn't proof of is anyone actually selling for 11 keys to those buy orders. Therefore, they aren't sales.
I'm also still very suspicious of those buy orders, considering they went up so very fast...
Regardless, at this point I'm waiting on Mods.
Seems time to close this now
waiting on mods, still.
Seems like a quick buy, and he's reselling so you should wait anyways.
I'll leave it open for now, wait on new sales. Nothing counters pricing it at this.
soo low it must be closed
While I'm normally not opposed to these kinds of suggestions, there is such a thing as "too low". It's one thing when the hat is bought at a low price by a collector who is fine with the suggestion, it's another thing when the hat has a bunch of sales at the argueably "too low" price, and it's yet another thing when the sale is just recorded because there's no concrete evidence of the hat being too low.
This hat doesn't really fit into any of these categories. If this were to be accepted, based on an SCM sale no less, this would be THE lowest priced effect of said hat, which unless there was a downwards market trend(which there isn't), doesn't really make any sense.
If there was any sort of supporting evidence for this it'd have a chance at getting accepted, but there isn't. This is best left outdated for now.
Understood. Thanks for clearing this all up!
Closing.