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Sold for a starstorm slumber teutonic toque and .8k of sweets
(suggestion at 14 for the toque): https://backpack.tf/suggestion/5bd5e63f44325a71d841e2e0
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198342342189#!/compare/1541548800/1541721600
Buyers were made after suggestion, see link below before you say "but buyers counter" https://www.backpack.tf/suggestion/5b15768e44325a5c6d075852
Rounding to 15 for cleanliness
Sale is valid, 1/1, and current owner doesn't plan to resell it, there isn't anything wrong with that
Many traders say the same "current owner will not resell". Like you who bought an arcana brain warming wear for 70 keys and you said "it is my dream hat i will not resell" you already sold it in less than 1 month.
https://backpack.tf/item/6288502580
Of course that shark will sell it he has a big chance to get a huge profit. He payed 15 keys and there are buyers willing to pay more than 100 keys for it.
R3SP4WN is a shark and a potential scammer indeed he tried to shark my omniscient orb lil bitey and he is posting and sending random friend request to unboxers who got 1 of 1 2018 halloween unusuals and those unboxers have something in common, they are not traders they dont know unusual/effect prices so they can be easily sharked by him
Merry Christmas!
M3RRY CHRISTM4S
Nice sale! Congrats to the buyer!
Before anyone else comments, can we not make the comment section a huge fuckfest like in the last suggestion? This is a valid sale and 1/1, upvote :)
This comment didn't age well :p
Upvote from me as well, congrats to both parties !
Sale looks pretty fair,
Upvote!
"fair" lmao
Indeed. Upvote from me āShrugā
While I appreciate the thought in this message, the fact remains that suggestions aren't the place to discuss the rules on sharking. Take it to the forums if you wish to, I don't want to see soapboxing for OR against banning "sharks" on individual suggestions.
No, I'm saying you can't discuss it on suggestions.
Can you people not read english? Stop discussing it here.
Looks good, upvote! Congrats to the buyer of the beautiful hat
this was already circle jerked over like a month ago according to torb and the r3spwn it wasnt a shark by community defined rules i myself think that it was but im not the one who makes the rules but honestly if you think the dude is a sharker dont trade him and ignore him best i can give yah
Why do people dislike comment for no reason? Donga is making a valid point and people are just dumping on his comment. It's a obvious shark, they just won't admit it....
thats pretty low (period). thats all im going to say. but its still a valid sale and the P. shadows chef hat's suggestion was accepted, why not
https://backpack.tf/classifieds?item=Punk%27s+Pomp&quality=5&tradable=1&craftable=1&australium=-1&particle=116&killstreak_tier=0
https://gyazo.com/fa1146d4975d93977fb15043b4009560
Don't strange buyers at 20 and non-strange buyers at 25 counter this price????
Made after Suggestion, invalid
rip this hat
Doesn't matter if they made them after the suggestion lol
Yes, it does.
No it doesn't, otherwise you could just raise the price on buyers alone for the hat lmao
Yes, it does. Ask a mod. People can just counter a suggestion since the don't want it to be accepted. Or they can just like the hat and set an order. Ask a mod, everytime I've asked them they've said it's invalid.
Not when theres 3 buyers doing it lol, maybe if one sure.
Also as a general note for everyone as it seems this is an unclear topic:
Buy orders can be an indication that something is low, so its not that they "dont mean shit". Buy orders can actually counter, but there are exceptions. For this its important to understand the difference between generic buyers and someone that wants to buy 1 copy of the hat, as well as some other issues:
1. Generic buyers vs single-copy buy orders
- Generic buyers constitute infinite data points; single-copy buyers only one data point. One data point does not necessarily weigh up against, say, 5 lower sales.
2. Buyers as common trading point
- In some cases, literally every sale happens at buyer's value (or below). Youll typically see the lowest sales being for overpriced hats, and that the person getting the suggested hat for their overpriced hat, they instantly sell it to buyers. In such cases, all (or like 9/10) data points are at buyers value, so they constitute the common trading point. This is similar to how fast sales (~1 day) are used if literally everyone either instantly sells or doesnt sell at all. In such a case, buyers value can be used as data point for a suggestion.
3. Time of listing/"counter-buyorders"
- The time of a buy order's listing is relevant. If a buy order was created a month after the sale, then thats an indication the market has shifted since. One of the reasons that buyers counter, is that whoever took the "low" offer could've also taken X pure, indicating it's just someone making a poor decision. This doesn't work when the buy order wasnt around when he took the low offer.
In conjunction with this, we usually see that once a suggestion is up, people create buy orders with the sole purpose to counter a suggestion. THESE and specificly these buy orders ONLY are structurally ignored for suggestion purposes!. Most of the time, these buy orders disappear after a few days (as the creators fear they may actually buy one). In other cases, they actually buy one or more, providing more data points at that value, making it fall under category 2 (displayed above)
These 3 categories typically form exceptions to the buy orders counter argument.
quoting foamy, if ur gonna speak ur mind at least do your research :^)
Torb is the biggest troll lmao
your making this suggestion for suggestion points and nothing less, otherwise this price tag doesnt do this hat any justice
If he was making it for the points, then he would want it accepted.
If he closes it, he gains and loses nothing.
if Mods close it, he lsoes all those points.
If it passes, he gains the points.
Terrible reasoning. And of course the price tag does the hat justice.
He paid that much for it.
I just think that these kinds of suggestions encourage sharkers like R3SPAWN to get away with it and avoid punishment so long as they can claim "not for sale" that's my issue, and even if it wasn't a shark, the entirety of the trading community would 100% pay more, MUCH more, in keys. Regardless of if the buy orders were placed after or before its just the the thought that everyone and their grandma would line up to pay more then 15 keys for this in a blink.
I don't understand how showing the sale and suggesting a legitimate price for an item is an incentive to those kinds of people.
Other people paying more is irrelevant, because R3SPAWN has not / will not sell it.
And if he does, well....
He'll cement people's opinions of him.
It may be "just a sale" to you but to anyone with a brain, it's more then that. FAR more then that. And, yes there is the argument that he quote-unquote won't sell but where do we draw the line? Because this 100% without a doubt could fetch 60 or more in keys, far exceeding this price, thus this is LOW. It doesn't matter if its the only purchase or if he has no plans to sell! The suggestion is undervaluing this thing very strongly, thus defeating the purpose of giving it a price and for that it should remain unpriced!
Should he resell it can be priced accordingly
why not just leave it unpriced until an actual, authentic sale arises instead of giving it a false price just for suggestion points and drama
Why exactly is this sale false? Looks good to me. Read the rules :)
Upvote. Congrats to the buyer!
jesus christ most of these comments were either deleted or they were just warned by a mod
https://backpack.tf/issue/5c1db10ccf6c755a7214ebd6, guys if you want to talk about respawn sharker, I made an issue here. Leave your Comments there and stop discussing it here
Wait, we're STILL trying to price this?
It should fall into common sense that most would consider this to be an unfair trade and no logical trader would see it this low (hence better left unpriced), all this did was spark even more drama then needed.
1/1 hat, not for sale, 1 sale, nothing wrong with this suggestion, sometimes people pay too much for hats, but thats how life goes, this suggestion may put it too high but theres no other data points to go against
Exactly. Itās 1 of 1, and the opposing party was happy with the trade. My friend who I bought it from hasnāt said anything to me specifically about the trade afterwards. Why are you all getting angry for him? This was how much I bought it for (if you value the starstorm at a very low 15 keys) and should be accepted I would think.
a trillion dollars the guy u sharked hasnt seen this thread or knows what backpack.tf is. he'd see he could have gotten more off the dumb hat lol
welcome to dislike city!
population: drama, everywhere.
God I didn't realize how witch hunting people are here, atleast Joeg stepped off only making people aware, but I'm pretty sure he didn't want THIS to keep happening.
I don't like sharks and don't mind drama, But seriously: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k0SmqbBIpQ
People are truly treating this as unfair but if both sides are happy and will remain in that guys bp then all is fair upvote
It'll remain in his BP for now, until this mess is no longer talked about so much, and then it'll evaporate on SCM or bitskins or one of those other trade sites. That his pack is private now should be telling enough.
1. My bp has been private before I even made the trade for the pomp?....
2. I donāt know what bitskins is
3. What the hell would I gain from scm I donāt play much else than tf2 would be such a waste
Yes, it is a valid sale. But then there is a moral side to it involving sharking and stuff. I dont really have an opinion in this matter, but see why both sides are valid. I am just not going to vote due to the conflict.
Okay this is it. I am clearing my name. https://imgur.com/a/XXNtJXd
Please please for the love of god stop harassing me and my friend. I offered him many other loadouts, I explained to him before the trade Iād be making significant profit (I donāt have that screenshot Iām sorry but you can ask my friend)
Please stop. My friend took the trade because he liked my hat. PERSONAL PREFERENCE. He is happy with the trade. I was so shocked that he was willing to take a deal so unbalanced I EVEN ASKED HIM before we did the trade if he wanted to add anything at all. He asked for the medic clothes.
I did not manipulate him or trick him or swindle him. I have offered to compensate for stuff if he feels cheated but he is fine, and declined anything I wanted to gift to him. I accept that the previous trade (poisoned shadows toque) was quite unethical as I was aware of its true value, but this has gone too far. I got this hat near the beginning of the season, itās a commando grade hat, and there was no fucking way for me know this would be the only moon in existence.
This suggestion needs to bloody pass now, itās been 30 days, it is a completely legitimate sale.
If you seriously canāt accept that there are some people who trade based on hats they like then too fucking bad.
Well it shouldn't be priced based on this sale because it wasn't a value wise fair trade. Like you said the trade was based on hats they like. I like steaming so I will trade my burning flames hats for steaming hats, would that make burning flames less valuable? Just because some guy has a personal preference not related to the potential value of this hat doesnt make this a sales that should be used for pricing the hat.
Okay, you have a point.
Fair enough, sorry for that comment earlier.
He only said he liked MEDIC unusuals, he said he wanted a good one.
Sure he asked for an unusual, but you gave him a bad one.
You sharked someone and you know it, you need to stop before you get yourself a civil lawsuit from the victims of your sharks.
Did you even bother to look at the screenshots? I offered MANY other loadouts. I had only TWO medic unusuals at the time, and this was one of them. He fucking loves the hat. If your broke ass cant accept some people trade for shit they like then too bad. I even offered a fucking refund; he likes his current hat more and REFUSED.
I looked at the screenshots. You cheated and swindled, and lied about the price.
You needed to give him something of the regular price. As a result of you giving him a shitty unusual, you sent him on a downward spiral, and now he has a terrible scout unusual taunt.
You realize that sharking has real consequences right?
Are you stupid
Uno reverse card
What do you mean by ādownward spiralā. If anyone was ruining his day it would be you fucks.
How do you have any right to judge the value of othersā unusuals? Smh if you donāt like the toque well thatās fine, but I could give less of a fuck about your personal tastes. Not sure why youād diss someoneās taunt as well seems fucked up
(idc how bp.tf works, im asking you, cuz it seems you really want this suggestion to go through).
>I was so shocked that he was willing to take a deal so unbalanced I EVEN ASKED HIM before we did the trade if he wanted to add anything at all.
>declined anything I wanted to gift to him.
>This suggestion needs to bloody pass now
What? So you think 15 keys is actually a good representation of this hat's price? when people are willing to pay way more and you consciously know it was UNfair and UNbalanced for him?
Because 1 guy was too impatient to actually sell his hat for a good price and buy his "dream medic hat" for a real and fair price?
I am offering 16 keys for your hat, as a starting offer. Why doesn't it count?
Useless suggestion.
Iām going to be honest, I donāt really care what itās priced at. Thereās literally no reason for this to be left up for so long though.
But I agree with you now, given the pretenses of how my friend did the trade, this suggestion should have been closed a while ago.
if Merry decides he doesn't want to sell it, than that's the only sale to price it at. But if he does, clearly we all know it was an unbalanced trade and it SEEMS like Merry told his friend about it in detail and he still went with it. If Merry decides to sell it in a proper or much larger scaled price than perhaps a new price suggestion will get suggested that people will be more open to voting
scammed lol
didnt read the rules.lol
nowhere it is near to 'scam'.
and to all the new people over here.please stop making comments that isnt related to countering this suggestion.its not gonna work
damn, 15 keys for this unusual would be crazy underpriced imo
Everybody knows that. The point is, though, that this sharking was the only valid sale.
The buyer himself seems to agree with the suggestion, which makes my job a hell of a lot easier here: we've had multiple cases where we accepted undervalued hats where the buyer himself wanted it to be priced, and we're okay with people preferring their items have a low price rather than no price in a case like this.
Similar situations:
https://backpack.tf/suggestion/5713c265c440452f4e19c0b2
https://backpack.tf/suggestion/554d3a0bba8d88c0338b4571