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Sale 1: 92k
https://marketplace.tf/items/30993;5;u14
$165 on 12/29
Sale 2: 90k
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198112281935#!/compare/1544572800/1544659200
Sale 3: 84k
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198128213644#!/compare/1545436800/1545523200
Sale 4: 72k
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198112516663#!/compare/1546041600/1546128000
Sale 5: high
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198180662462#!/compare/1546300800/1546387200
84, 90, 92
excluding 72, took a day
The pomp on marketplace sold for 177.5 @ 1.81 per key ~ 98 so your suggestion needs readjusting
That's better.
Sale 1: $165 on marketplace means keys are $1.67 based on site price which is ~ 99
Sale 3 and 4 are in a quicksell chain from 12/29-1/2 at 72 and 84 ~ 3 days which led to the sale 5 ~ 83 + Dead Presidents Brotherhood (38) ~ 121 mixed that wasn't counted in range because it was "high"?
and why was Highfeather's sale excluded from the re-suggestion although it was within the same time frame?
1/1/2019
https://i.imgur.com/Z50rcbR.png - Only sale that day.
https://i.imgur.com/9twLsev.png - Untradable until a week later, must match. (He also offered on mine so I know it's the same guy.)
https://i.imgur.com/joqvotZ.png - Untradable hat in his backpack.
€252.53 / €1.95 = 129.5
final note, sale 5 after that "high" was quicksold low due to your suggestions scaring off buyers.
You have no idea if sale three was a quicksell
HIghfeather's was excluded because of seller caps, not sure how hard that is to understand. Three sales at 84, 90, and 92, and a month at 129.5 probably means it shouldn't be included in that.
Site price has never been counted as key price. If a hat was bought off marketplace, you use marketplace key price. (thought that would be common sense, but people trying to keep their overpriced hats overpriced kinda lack that)
$165/$1.79 on dec.29 is, shockingly, 92 keys.
I excluded sale four, and was told to. I agree it was low.
would have taken screenshots but I'm sure you already saw it. Sale 3 had it in the description that he was quickselling.
Seller caps? No mention of sale 5 ~ 121 though? Ironically enough, it's the same hat that quicksold for 72 and 84 in sales 3 and 4, in that order.
I'm sorry if I come off as sharp, but I fail to understand the logic behind this suggestion range
You have 101k at nine days, I'm watching it.
Hell, your buy fits in this range (with a mini, assuming it would be near lowest seller, I'll try to find one)
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198180662462#!/compare/1546732800/1547164800
stop complaining
you don't really read do you? go back to my first comment and read the last line.
Of course I'll complain when it doesn't make sense.
Literal definition of quicksell is that it can't involve items
you think you're cheeky avoiding the same question twice? The only reason it sold that low was because of your suggestion, which is technically market manipulation in a way. Do better research next time, because you threw the guy that made that last sale under the bus by opening the same suggestion twice and not including sales.
"final note, sale 5 after that "high" was quicksold low due to your suggestions scaring off buyers."
where's the question here?
Inform me how I'm manipulating the market on a hat I don't own and have no relation to outside this suggestion. I'm excluding sales logically here, there's a clear unsold remaining at 101 and more unsolds when I made this, one of which sold to you INSIDE THIS RANGE.
I didn't throw anyone 'under the bus', it's his own fault that he bought a hat at an outdated backpack price without doing his own research into its true value. 130 is a clear outlier, you have three sales below this. Stop whining.
I cannot make it any clearer that this person: https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198180662462#!/compare/1546300800/1546387200
bought the hat in sale 5 at ~ 121 and then sold it for as low as that last sale because of your open suggestions which scared off his buyers.
That's how you manipulated the market unintentionally because of your selective nature when including sales. 121 and 129.5 are 2 sales out of 6 which make them a higher end to the previous 92 and 90 logically. Where 3 and 4 were gradually increasing (implying a qsell chain) into what you called a high ~ 121.
Mostly because I'm not making an 84-130 range on a hat that has a two listings below 130.
Watch this, see what happens with it.
https://imgur.com/a/PVvpjWm
Watch and see what happens to this.
If this wasn't on the market at this price and for this long, I'd probably include 129.
As of now, 101 is still left unsold.
You think any potential buyer in the past 5-6 days wouldn't have seen your price drop suggestion and changed their mind about spending 101? especially when you didn't list all sales and initially set the range too low with the high range lower than 100. Aside from that, we all know that not everyone has cash and that marketplace takes longer in most cases when selling hats. Which brings us back to the main point, which is that your suggestions are the reason this hat's sales have declined and been panic sold for less than what they were bought for in the past 8 days. You did more harm than good by not being selective in sales to suit your range to get the points and hence stubborn when attempting to reason with.
If whatever 'potential buyer' didn't see this suggestion and make their own decision, that's on them.
I didn't set the range too low, at the time of making this, there were two unsolds on backpack, both for 1-2 weeks, below 100k and at 100k.
there has never been such thing in tf2 trading, and I'm pretty sure you're aware that people really take suggestions seriously when considering to buy or trade for another hat, and see it as a potential risk. While other's whose hats are being raised in price would leverage the sales and suggestion as proof that their hat is worth more based on previous sales.
It would have been reasonable if you took more time and been more mindful, instead of going for the quick suggestion points, when preparing this suggestion in order to take all sales into consideration (which you didn't initially based on opinion) and to get a clearer picture of how much a certain hat sells for over a regular period of time (not 2 quicksells in a span of 3 days that eventually recovered to a regular range sale), but then you also ruined further sales by not including sales, again based on opinion, and you're still refusing to admit that you might have made a mistake and divert questions instead of admitting responsibility when it's clearly partly yours.
I don't appreciate you attacking the integrity of my suggestions over the fact that you own this hat and want it higher in price.
You've listed your hat at 125 almost since you owned the hat back in late november, and considered that when seeing the scm sale.
A range of 84 to 130 incorporates your listing, which should not be incorporated due to how long it's been listed, and a 101k marketplace unsold, which, judging by the name, has not sold yet at a price that you're arguing should be part of the range. No, marketplace sales don't take longer than backpack listings, and you have no proof of that.
I'm being as mindful as I can here. I did take all sales into consideration, and if you weren't acting in self-preservation here, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
As far as I know, the 121k buy isn't even valid as the seller was banned.
Honestly, I wasn't going to comment on the suggestion at all, I only wanted to point out that your suggestion was a bit subjective and you don't really have proof either over the thing's you're telling me I have no proof of, because they're also subjective. I don't really mind it being lowered to the range you suggested because I know that it's value will hold, but will be harder to retain. To make things clear, I didn't start this thread in order to preserve the current price range, but to at least suggest an accurate one if you're going to. I don't understand why you keep implying that I want an 84-130 range, because I never mentioned prices or ranges other than previous sales, in which all would count and you would have to figure out based on intuition and logic, which one's more accurately represent the price of this hat or others that you might be resuggesting prices for.
I was very polite in my writing manner, but your responses if you look back at them are aggressive and have a "how dare you question me" attitude instead of openly discussing your findings and reasoning what's being presented to you.
As for the seller being banned, he's currently suspended on bp.tf for being a "suspected" scammer alt and has no steamrep reports to this day, but that was beside the point.
As for my listing and my hats, I'm an old tf2 trader who is currently semi-active because of my working nature and the fact that I have many other things to attend to in my life and sometimes drop tf2 alongside other things because of priorities. I am not required to explain to you the details of my life or why I have had certain hats for as long as I have, simply because I choose whenever I want to list or unlist my items on this website and do not always have the intention of selling, but the curiosity as to what might be offered on my hats in case something I might have interest in comes by, in which you have disregarded previous offers that you might know nothing about that have been declined or didn't fall through because lack of interest.
Ultimately, I am not attacking the integrity of your suggestion, I am simply giving advice for the future and pointing out faults that I could clearly spot for your ultimate improvement.