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Unusual Killer's Kabuto Darkblaze
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    My old 'dream' hat, it's fantastic to see it going to such a lovely owner. Upvote :3

      Other sale is still in-date and most definitely was when this trade occurred. That pends on the demon buto which is basically the same story :P

      https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198118859180#!/compare/1543622400/1543881600

        Will go outdated in less, than a day?

          I suppose its no coincidence this was only suggested now :P waiting for sales to go outdated before suggesting as an excuse to exclude them is not the way to go here :P

            https://i.imgur.com/nX9Dolr.png - date requested. Today: date im avaliable to do it.

              Excuse my scepticism in that case; I was pinged about this a while back on discord and said the same thing - given that I see this happening quite often lately I assumed given the coinciding dates.


              Regardless of whether it was intentional or not - the point still stands imo.

                Im definitely not opposed to add the last sale in a range, its either way a free suggestion for me. So do i resuggest right away and what about Demonflame?

                  This presents a tricky situation (especially since this was accepted at the time based on that sale) because the suggestions are going to influence one another here (since the hats sold for each other back then). The other sale on the demon buto supports the stability of that around that time; on the demon buto that makes it REALLY hard to work around the fact that these sales are in reality outliers :P


                  An option worth considering is to leave the demon buto as it is and use that sale to set a range of 290-500 here. Arguably one could work with the range here based on the value the demon buto had at that time whilst accepting that (the demon) suggestion at 500 to display its price now. The issue I have with that is less than the one I have here because in that case, the sales used are stacking just-out-of-date sales to justify everything (i.e the other sale there just expired and the hat it sold for is based on sales from aug/sept. They should still be clear indicators that aside from collectors, this is in no way a common trading point, but I suppose it makes handling that a little easier. I'll propose this to the other price mods as well.

                    Not a bad idea. As for the "this is in no way a common trading point", we cant base everything around common trade points. Collector sales are a huge part of trading, especially nowadays: collector sales should definitely not be thought of as rather outlier-ish sales.

                      I mean, we will try to reflect common trading points as much as we can. We allow collectors purchases (that are in reality outliers) if there are no other usable sales, and then we report the sales as is (just like we do on hats where the value seems to be on the low side). That does not mean that the sales can't be outliers in reality; they are in fact still very likely to be just that. Not saying all collectors purchases are outliers per say, but a collector generally pays more than anyone else would for a hat if they need to, and when that happens, they deviate from a common trading point almost by definition :P


                      While there are exceptions, many collectors still end up selling their hats at some point (some sooner than others; it is not that uncommon for collectors to want something else after a few months). More often than not, that would mean they'll discount the hats compared to their bp price (what they paid), whilst still selling above what a hat has always sold for, or they use the hats to overpay for something else. Someone that buys them or accepts the overpay offer could mistake the collectors value for a value you can easily get for the hat (the actual common trading point). I mean, look at the demonflame buto; it has been pretty much stable for 3 years around current, and that sale from early dec supports that value. It suddenly selling for 500 while it has always sold for ~225 shows that on a wider timeline, 500 is definitely an outlier, and the fact that it is a collector that also bought the other ones for a similarly high seeming value gives a reasonable explanation as to why the sale is so high :P


                      This is why Im hesistant to blindly use a collectors purchase to reprice something, and why Im convinced that factors like other sales should be taken into consideration when making suggestions based on such sales. The more drastic the proposed change is (compared to an overall trendline), the more hesistant I would be to accept and the longer I would wait/the more issues I'd have to give precedence to the more recent sale (which is what we usually do in less extreme cases).


                      Don't see this as me taking pleasure in denying suggestions because that is not my intention. It is actually more my goal to prevent situations like that burning bitey a while back from occurring :P.

                        Well, when you think about it, yes they are outliers in reality, but they still exist and need to be reported, otherwise wouldnt be fair for them and well, wouldnt be accurate anyway.


                        Edit: But yeah, i agree with the 2nd and 3rd part, youre not wrong. The Bitey will get raised once i sell sooner or later anyway, thats how ive always dealt with such cases lol, so thats not really a good example in this case, where i brought in a point of common trade points and collectors sales being necessary to coexist xd

                          I agree, which is why we do if there is nothing else to go by :P

                            Well, here there is a common trade point and collectors sale to go by, just as the Bonzo Bunsen, hence why a range makes sense i suppose. I just dont like stretching a out of date sale in, but at the same time your "the sale was in date, when the 500 sale happened" point does definitely sound valid in this case.

                              its hard to make a final decision in these cases since they're hard to envelop in a set of rules. I normally prefer not to as well, and I will not look at the exact day of every sale in every suggestion in every case. It's specifically extreme cases like these where I become more thorough in that regard.

        Sad to have sold it but it’s gone to a good home, I wouldn’t have sold this at all but the deal came to the price I’d ever consider parting with it.

          I guess none of the solutions actually works properly here. I suppose we'll have to deal with this now being priced as it is.