Suggestion: Roboactive Blighted Beak at 805 keys

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~2650 keys

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This suggestion was closed Tue, 18 Jun 19 16:20:55 +0000 by Vijf Kilo Boter (met voetjes).

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meh

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198306288794#!/compare/1556496000/1556582400

55k + stormy 13th rack, indate at 750

b/o was 999, no worries

805k

Just from an outsiders perspective this sale seems to be an outlier. Unstopabull offered me the beak for 550 keys. Would this count as a b/o?

I didn't offer 550 keys, I said that's what I'd probably list it at, but I held off from listing it all because I talked to apo and realized 550 was low for this.

Just offering my perspective on how the deal went down, and that I didn't simply get drunk and chuck 805 at the hat. This has been a month long mission of active talks for me and Apo. After the deal came apart, he was kind enough to put me in contact with someone that was willing to sell for near what I was offering. If I had the pure in my backpack to make a buy order, I would have done it. @Desertbuggy, I don't think 550 can be used as a buyout for the reason BULL stated.. he didn't know I was interested and was already in the midst of negotiating a much higher deal. Obviously Apo had no reason to redirect me until our deal came to a conclusion.

Also, in 2019.. when discussing seldom traded hats what even is an outlier? Chieftain, Whirly, Kabuto, Tyrants to name a few single class hats that have some absolutely absurd sales to collectors that have been passed.

The only brand of stupidity that isn't tolerated in bp suggestions seems to be overpaying a b/o in pure so a price can be further raised because WHY DID THAT EVEN HAPPEN??? @Demonflame Yellow Belt

Given the steepness of the raise here I am kind of bothered by the fact that it was offered around on much less pure, or at least seems to have been. Using it as a buyout also seems really weird given the circumstances.

The entire rationale behind raising the asking price baffles me. No common reasoning would imply 550 is obviously too low.

Given the perspectives provided in the comments I have to agree that everything here screams outlier.

I literally explained everything..

Bull never listed the beak. I don't have premium to hunt it down. An established 550 buyout through steam messenger with one trader is irrelevant considering the negotiations between Apo and I in the background.

No offense to Desertbuggy, but to consider his perspective is to punish me for not having backpack premium and to punish Apo for not telling another beak owner that I want to buy it while we are working out a deal.

If this is rejected, then you need to go on a quest to protect the integrity of the system. ANY price suggestion that has passed for a cent over what would be considered a realistic trading value MUST be removed.

ANY and ALL collector purchases would then have to be ignored in the past, present, and future.

I laid out a detailed explanation of the entire situation. The sense is crystal clear.

There is no rational thinking considering many collector purchases. Emotion plays a heavy role. 450 for a Chiroptera Venenata Chieftains Challenge passes. while a 230 for a Poisoned Shadows Chieftans passes. Clearly rational thinking isn't being utilized with every suggestion. This doesn't change the fact they are being accepted.

Being fairly honest here, I'm agreeing

The hat wasn't listed, no proof of it being offered to anyone for lower than 805. Fairly cut and dry case here, if it sells again it can always be updated further.

There is no need to be so aggressive.

We allow collectors purchases to be used if there are no factual indicators they are too high. In those cases we report the sales as is. Here I see a concern posted that would objectively be high.

I don't mean to be aggressive. I'm just curious how factual indicators suggest 450 for a Chiroptera Chieftans when Poisoned Shadows is updated at 230 is fine?

As j58 stated.. worst case scenario one of the three collectors that owns one sells it in the future and the price is updated again.

The only concern posted is irrelevant. BULL didn't know I was offering 250 keys higher on the beak.. and Apo had no reason to tell him until our negotiations came to a conclusion. He was made aware and opted out of the talks.

>I am kind of bothered by the fact that it was offered around on much less pure, or at least seems to have been.

Was it though? It seems like it *may* have been a misunderstanding. However, I'm not sure exactly what was said. So I can't say what happened. Maybe it was offered for 550 pure, like Desertbuggy said.. Maybe it wasn't, like bull said.. I don't know.

>No common reasoning would imply 550 is obviously too low.

I would think something that *might* show 550 is low is that I declined an offer of 800. A very similar offer to the trade that took place here. (I believe I was offered the Rack +50 pure, but bull got Rack +55 pure. Slightly different, but a better deal.) In my experience, many rare miscs can seem to have a 'crazy' high price compared to others.. Example #1 being the Stormy 13th rack.

That's just my input on this. I don't really trade too much anymore so I'm not sure how good my input is, especially as an owner of said hat that's being suggested on -- I may appear biased. However, I've had mine for at least 3 years. Obviously, I like the hat. Its bp.tf price doesn't mean much at all to me in the end.

Eh, the offer situation does not really say anything here; it's basically the same offer that was taken from the same person. As an analogy: say I buy something for 100. Logically, I would also have offered 99, 98, 97. That does not mean that those are 3 solid offers to prove a sale at 80 to be too low for instance.

I am aware that some miscs sometimes go for much more - the rack is an example. Usually that happens with sales that would otherwise be outliers, but with no indication to refute the data point they will be accepted. The fact that the same buyer also inflated the rack is rather a supportive indication that this is really high :P

With common reasoning I meant: I can understand someone drastically changing their price on - say an item with a new effect, where they have seen that similar tier effects went for much more, proving the item may have a much higher selling potential than initially expected, or a new trader that did not realize the value of their items could be much more. Bull is an experienced trader - one does not go and tell people they're going to list items at certain values for no reason. It's a common thing to do among traders to test the waters, to see if people are interested, or to get (counter)offers from people they expect to get interested in. You'd be surprised how many people tell me about their Caribbeans in the hope I'll offer for them, and I only have 3 of them.

Desertbuggy has shown to have a solid interest in rare miscs as I am sure Bull was aware when their conversation occurred; all it takes to find that out is taking a look at his backpack. It is actually relatively logical for him to have approached him in the hopes to catch a solid offer from him, which is one of the reasons why I am inclined to agree with the concern posted.

That's why I tried to think of any reason for bull to change his mind, other than him being directed to the one guy that would pay much more than anyone else, and why I mentioned it in my comment above.

I'm just trying to put the pieces together based on all the input we get, and in this case, the story seems to have two contradictory sides. They are tricky decisions; I've discussed this with the other moderators, and the replies I got where unanimously in favor of leaving this outdated. The indications that this sale is actually an outlier are too strong here for us to report the sale as is