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Update!
Sale 1: https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198043826027#!/compare/1570752000/1570838400
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198806818368#!/compare/1570752000/1570838400
Sold for a clean Burning Flames Hat of Cards (151 keys), buyout was 150: https://bot.tf/stats/listings/Y35ONQW1
Mini for the HoC: https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198092368589#!/compare/1569024000/1569110400
Sold for a clean Circling Heart Brotherhood of Arms (87 keys) + a clean Cloud 9 Coldsnap Cap (25 keys) + a Cool Mannana Peeled Rocket Launcher (Battle Scarred) (28 keys) + a Fountain of Delight Taunt: Zoomin' Broom (10 keys) + a ~key in sweets.
87 + 25 + 28 + 10 + 1 = 151
Mini for the BoA: https://backpack.tf/suggestion/5d66e862678072796c055ff2
Mini for the Coldsnap:
Sale 1: https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198082589427#!/compare/1568937600/1569024000
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198047037293#!/compare/1569024000/1569110400
Sold for a clean Miami Nights Troublemaker's Tossle Cap (20 keys)
Mini for the Tossle: https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198161130473#!/compare/1569024000/1569110400
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198041879062#!/compare/1568505600/1569110400
20 pure. Classies: https://i.imgur.com/gNELnD4.png
Sale 2: https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198969502360#!/compare/1569628800/1569715200
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198360147278#!/compare/1569628800/1569715200
Seems like it sold for a Strange Festivized Killstreak Australium Sniper Rifle (27 keys) + a Genuine Doublecross-Comm (~3 keys)
27 + 3 = 30.
Classies: https://i.imgur.com/rURhHPI.png. Taking 20-30 (25).
Mini for the RL: https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561197963318662#!/compare/1563321600/1565308800
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561197993987295#!/compare/1565222400/1565308800
Sold for a Cool Airwolf Knife (Field-Tested) (25 keys) + ~3 keys in adds.
25 + 3 = 28
Mini for the Knife: https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561197963318662#!/compare/1565395200/1565481600 - 25 pure, classies: https://i.imgur.com/IaP9jMv.png
Sale 2: https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198141455733#!/compare/1567036800/1567209600
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561197991111981#!/compare/1567123200/1567209600
70 pure.
Sale 3: https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561197991111981#!/compare/1569369600/1569456000
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198043826027#!/compare/1569369600/1569456000
Bulk.
Sale 4: https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198120672630#!/compare/1567036800/1567123200
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198139190812#!/compare/1566864000/1567123200
Sold for a clean Chiroptera Venenata Conquistador (79 keys) + a Haunted Phantasm Taunt: Fresh Brewed Victory (20 keys) + a Massed Flies Pampered Pyro (8 keys) + 12 keys.
79 + 20 + 8 + 12 = 119, buyout was 75: https://bot.tf/stats/listings/MLR6ZD18
Mini for the Conq: https://backpack.tf/suggestion/5da1f246d38172436a776388
Mini for the taunt: https://marketplace.tf/items/tf2/1113;5;u3011 - 45/1.80 = 25, buyout was 20: https://bot.tf/stats/listings/YDLL5N75 Only usable sale.
Sale 5: https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198806818368#!/compare/1570752000/1570838400
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198057452720#!/compare/1570752000/1570838400
Sold with 13 keys for a clean Scorching Flames Dr's Dapper Topper (134 keys)
134 - 13 = 121
Only usable sale, that isnt 2 months or more old: https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198006544512#!/compare/1569542400/1569628800
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561197963299583#!/compare/1569456000/1569628800
103 pure. Looking at sellers on Dapper: https://i.imgur.com/7RlDw7m.png Im making a range with this sale and the high end of the previous in-date suggestion. 103-165 (134).
Sales: 150, 70, 75 and 121. 121 is very iffy, but supports both ends. Going with a range of 70-150.
I sold my scorching dapper for 103 yesterday, but anyway if the buyer paid 150 and resold same day with adds for the dapper, i wouldnt use either sale
Oh your listing's glitched, i see. And idk, the sales aren't that far apart for them to cancel each other out imo. Ill double check with a mod i suppose.
Edit: That could also mean, that HoC is still high at 150.
It's selling for 120 right now: https://i.imgur.com/GF2NrnM.png | https://backpack.tf/item/4293197474
Also, you should've made a full suggestion on the Burning Hoc to begin with tbh.
Either way, 150 lookin high and there's two 70ish sales.
Seller young. Not really, i already have a valid sale on the HoC as a mini. If 150 was the only high end sale, it would indeed look high, but its not. There is 2 sales in the 70 range, 2 in the 150-ish range. I did speak to Foam about this more in dept and decided i wanna do the HoC anyway, we'll see if me suggesting it changes anything with the HoC mini here tho.
Edit: Also, seller at 120 doesn't counter 2 sales in the 150-ish range, as they are the high end.
A sale at 121 is not a sale in the "150ish" range.
The sale may be higher, reasoning is the Dapper being a little complicated. There are 2 recent sales on the Dapper at 103 pure, but a buyer at 95: https://i.imgur.com/TEUapHq.png and being pretty recent at 150. So Foam is looking into the Dapper more in depth, as its not 100% clear what to do with the Dapper. Maybe taking 150 for Dapper is better, than making a non-suggestion lower end range, basically.
I mean I said I hadn't looked into it and that everything I said was based on the fact that the dapper was in-date (its really your job to check that dapper if you feel it is off :P our guidelines say it is in-date, if you think it is not, you'll have to make the case for that).
Posting here as well from the discord conv:
The way I see it the dapper sale can be treated one of two ways:
1) the dapper is used as in-date and valued as such in the suggestion, in which case the sale is ~140
2) There's a compelling case to prematurely consider the dapper outdated, in which case the dapper'd need to be updated or minied appropriately.
The intermediary way (utilized here) doesn't really work - you can't say 103 is clearly too low but still add it to the dapper range for the value here - you either make a case for the dapper - despite being priced 2 months ago - is already out of date and find ample proof to back up the claim and update/mini it, or you take it at its in-date value. Whichever of these approaches you want to pursue is up to you, but ultimately depends on whether or not there are other sales on it and if so, if they're usable. In either case, you'll need to do the research and/or argue which of these rationales for the dapper value you've used in the suggestion. I merely summarized what it would mean in terms of sales cancelling each other out, since there's a solid difference between someone buying for 150 in stuff reselling for 140 in stuff, and buying for 150 in stuff and selling for <100 in stuff (as the former can simply be based on a minor difference in personal appraisal, whereas the latter straight up clears up that 150 would be the outlier).
As a result, this can go one of two ways (numbered in accordance to the dapper values above):
1) The dapper sale'd be 140, bringing sales to 70, 75, 140, 150; 2 sales supporting each end, in which case the range could work (although the seller at 120 would still make the high end questionable, so it'd need time to see if 120'd manage to sell).
2) The dapper sale would end up sub-100 (at ~90) in which case 150 is the clear outlier, even if just based on the fact that it was resold so much lower.
In case 1) this'd be depending on the 120 seller - if he remains unsold I'd be hesistant to set the high end so high. If it sells it backs up the range. In case 2) Id see a conservative raise to 70-75 work for now.
Note that the above is just speculation regarding the dapper; one could also argue it's actually the HoC that needs checking (or both), since it may very well be that the hoc at 150 is on the high side. That'd give you an incentive to check the hoc for other sales.
Wait, i told you i looked into the Dapper, as far as sales go, idk what you personally meant by "looking into the Dapper".
Edit: You can say 103 is too low as a flat value tho? And not as a low end? People keep forgetting hats have low ends and high ends for a reason.
Edit 2: HoC is basically completed as a suggestion, im waiting on a user to send a screenshot of their trade, HoC will end up at 150-~180 or so.
Having owned one, i really do not think taking current works, for example i was unsold at 135 for over a month, and i had 0 offers on it besides the 103 pure offer, which i was happy to take ----------> https://imgur.com/a/8Rs0I5J . Obviously a full suggestion on it would be best, but imo, it in no way should be taken at current, considering it has a high end 30 keys over what i was unable to sell for, and at the very least it needs a proper mini
https://bot.tf/stats/listings/MQ9Q82JP
https://bot.tf/stats/listings/MLR820EG
Hmm, with you being actually unsold, that may definitely change a lot, hope Foamy saw your comment too
Still no work or word on the dapper and I believe this sugg was made after crims acknowledged his lackadasical minis. I can just pass this to someone that's more serious about doing the work but I can't let flubs like that represent the site.