Suggestion: Burning Flames Peacebreaker at 147 keys

I’d appreciate if you read what Iv said in the previous suggestion. I said I quicksold those unusuals to gain pure. They did not get sold for an anti-freeze greased lightening. If your going to make a suggestion. Make sure you get the facts correct, throwing out suggestions based on false facts is what ruins the value of other people’s hats.

The fact is that you bought that for 147 keys and this is the only sale for this 1:1 hat for now means it should be a valid suggestion

That’s a statement based purely on your opinion. It has no regard for the rules of price suggestions. Also stop posting false information about the other two unusual and the greased lightening please.

The Greased Lightning bit was my error, as I thought it went Unusuals -> Greased -> Keys to you, but it was Greased -> Keys to you for the Unusuals.

This won't affect the sale number though.

I wasnt expecting a peacebreaker unusual to be worth much but. 147 keys for a burning flames elite grade? thats unfortunate

The hat was listed for less than 24 hours at 150 before it sold, would this not count as a quicksell?

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why do i feel attacked lol

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No, there are no high buy orders and this is the only sale

I’d like to state for anyone viewing this suggestion that the unusual was posted for less than 24 hours before it was bought. Begging the question as to if the price was low. On top of that, once I had bought it, another user added the seller to try and buy it. Reinforcing my point. It was priced very low. Stated in the forums of rules for price suggestions. There are numerous points that have been disregarded in this suggestion. Firstly, if an unusual is unpriced, at least two sales should be seen before a price is suggested. And If those sales are not trusted, even a third sale may be required. Secondly, it states that offers cannot be used as evidence but are helpful. I’v received two offers of 300+ one of those offers being a subatomic Corona. Proof can be provided upon request. That is ‘helpful’ in telling everyone that the price of 150 was obviously low. Another point is that the masses flies version of this but is priced at 100 keys and the dbd is at 97 keys. I can say with certainty that none would think that the burning flames is worth 150 keys going off that alone. And finally, as I mentioned previously, it specifically states in the rules that if an unusual is sold within 1-2 days of being posted then people should be weary of it being a quicksell, of corse there is luck which could play a part in that but considering there was a second buyer lined up after me I’d consider that unlikely. And as said in the rules, it is not right to price an unusual from a quicksell.

If you have taken the time to read this thank you.

This is not the first time something unpriced has been priced off a "quicksale", for an example - https://backpack.tf/suggestion/5be9d6ae44325a426636faed .

If you are so scared of this price that is 100% valid as of now still, then sell it for more and prove the suggestion is wrong.

So your point is, because something has been wrongly prices in the past. It's ok to wrongly price anything. And why should I sell it off quickly to prove it wrong? Iv already proved it wrong with the numerous points that iv made in this suggestion and the previous one. Also, stating it is 100% valid as of now still means nothing to me. You've not backed your point with anything other than 'this hat was priced off a "quicksell" so its ok to price yours off a quicksell'. That's a matter of your opinion.

Your proof has no backing, offers don't equal evidence. Also if a hat is unpriced then technically it can't be a quicksell given no price exists for it yet. Having a "low" price is better then no price. Just because of its rarity and effect don't not make it more valuable, it's about how much the market is willing to pay for said item. If the only sale is yours then technically there is nothing wrong with it.

If you read my big post it invalidates everything you have just said. I didn't state offers are evidence, I said offers are helpful. If I'm getting offers of well over 300. That is helpful in telling everyone that the hat is worth at least that. Also, in the rules for suggestions it states nothing about being unpriced invalidating the possibility of a quicksell. If an item of an unusual is sold within 24 hours of it being listed, with more than one person trying to buy it. It's obvious it is being sold very cheap. That is basically the definition of a 'quicksell'. 'QUICK'.... And if that is the case, please name me unusuals for soldier that are rare and have a good effect that aren't valuable? How much the market is willing to pay for it? Well considering I have 3 offers lined up of over 300 Id say the 'market' is willing to pay over 300 for it.

Selling in 24 hours does not indicate a quicksell, some hats can sell easily sell for full price or even more then it within 24 hours. Unpriced hats don't have a market or don't have any sales so that's why they are unpriced. A lot of unpriced hats can easily sell within 24 hours like most of the 1/1's I got, priced off low sales that took less then even 12 hours to sell. Quicksell is normally based off buyers, bp price, time to sell sure and then the item market. Buyers are a good indicator due to that being related to the market, bp price also due to the generic item price (sure the item could be vastly outdated but still a possible thing to look at), time is also a big indicator but then there is huge problems with only using it. then finally item market, due to the whole depression, the markets have been fucked but looking at more non effected items it can help. While looking at your case you will notice that time is the only possible indicator that it could have been a quicksell, no buyers are close and no current price so right now 147 could easily be full price in the eyes of people. Offers don't really count for anything given that they can be fake, jokes or just people overvaluing the item. Best thing to do now is sell it for a good offer you received and then not worry about this valid suggestion for now effecting a sale.

Your using bad pricing as support again. Also, as Iv said before. I am not only using the time it took to sell. I stayed two other points including the price of other effects of the same hat, that is related to the ‘market’. I.e. the exchange of goods in this case, the demand for the peacebreaker as a hat (good) taking into account other effects. Please name me 1 hat that isn’t themed and has a 50% relative price different between massed flies and burning flames. And stating that ‘offers don’t really count for anything’ is called warping the rules to your liking. Iv quoted the rules before. And offers are valid because it is an indicator of ‘what the market’ will pay that you like to keep saying. I’m not worried about the suggestion affecting the sale. Because I know people know better then this anyway. That’s the problem with so many suggestions. It’s valid until proven otherwise, even if people can see it’s purely ridiculous. Take the suggestion you linked me before. It looks to be very controversial, everyone argued about it, it didn’t have a good number of votes, and yet still. It passed? Why is that good? ‘Because a price is better than nothing’? Well in my eyes that’s an obscure way to look at it. That way of thinking would not work with tangible goods and so why should it be applicable here. And with you saying that time is the only indicator. Why is it that Iv had offers of over 300 a day after having the hat. I presume that’s just people ‘overvaluing’ the hat right? Or maybe the slipped and fell on the keyboard and it sent that trade right? Because it couldn’t have possible been that the hat is worth what they are offering right?

Its not like the offer effects are really overpriced or anything, flies is getting dropped by me currently due to how long its been unsold for @ 83, realistically it should have never been priced that high since it was a high collectors purchase. Using other effects to determine a price is just dumb given that effects can be priced all over. For instance, the neutron elfin ( https://backpack.tf/unusual/Big%20Elfin%20Deal ) currently priced higher then other halloween effects and more then what burning is selling for when the neutron is far worse in effect grade.

Also for another instance of a hat being updated off a "quicksell" https://backpack.tf/suggestion/5e12ad10aa8f6c0a381450d2

and another - https://backpack.tf/suggestion/5e037ca38ee52c6fa470acd2

If you are so set on it being worth so much more, there is nothing stopping you from taking those great offers. Im just talking straight facts from experience compared to a personal opinion.

I know it’s worth more because of the offers and countless other factors, it should be unpriced until a concrete sale is made. Would you not agree? Don’t you think this is just pricing it off a whim?

Technically your purchase is valid so it can be priced of such, nothing wrong with doing so. Its not a whim suggestion.

ill buy it

for 147 hah

flood of comments for a hat named peacebreaker, lol.

why is this still not accepted

Mods are waiting for the flame war to continue; yeeeeeehaw!

I bought this for 475 pure and Robbie has had other offers way over 147. I think that is beyond proof of this sale being an outlier

Do you have a screenshot of the trade offer? From backpack.tf history, I don't see the 475 keys transaction from Robbie and your history. Thanks

I sold my knifestorm shellnet for 500+ pure and instantly bought this so

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/286500110370603008/708501367706091541/Screenshot_20200509-041016_Chrome.jpg

where is that 475 pure tho https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198040280241#!/compare/1588896000/1588982400 https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198079509568#!/compare/1588464000/1588982400

Being sold on marketplace.tf, thats where it is

Which hat are you referring to? Both Knifestorm Shellmet and the Burning Flames Peacebreaker do not have any transactions recently.

Knifestorm Shellmet: https://marketplace.tf/items/tf2/30897;5;u43

Burning Flames Peacebreaker: https://marketplace.tf/items/tf2/31044;5;u13

'Where is that 475 pure tho', 'Being sold on marketplace' ......................................

Thats 265 keys my guy

Yeah, it is on the screenshot, not sure how that has happened... I shall try get a better one

Updated screenshots:

https://gyazo.com/b9edb19d821bd843d5db99b07a2660a9

https://gyazo.com/8a47b577e3bac1379ac2576feacc4949

Lmao nice one how are we supposed to count that

Éwja's screenshot is way better and shows everything

Twohundredandsixtyfive keys

Watchthevideo that is not 265 keys

Because it doesn't all fit in the screenshot + it only shows 265 keys for some reason.. Duh

Sold for 475 keys : https://gyazo.com/119645963c732d77b4a695f8a348bb7d , Couldnt fit whole screenshots in as even zoomed out they dont all fit in the picture so here is a vid.

Yeah i got no idea what happened to my screenshot, counting on steam again shows 475. I guess my phone just is too retarded to work with looooooooooooooooooooooong screenshots. I can provide a video aswell if needed

why couldn't you just use history bastard? (I didn't call you a bastard it's an extension)

https://gyazo.com/4b885afe1b67857c16d0d9b17a125e0b why add bastard at all

History bastard is a Tampermonkey addon for chrome that basically makes trade histories easier to read.

Example of what it looks like - https://gyazo.com/4240282f6bd29a98dc6f3e5992d3632d

Aaaah I see. Sorry didn't know

But we all agree and see there is 475 pure i paid for this hat now or are we gonna keep fighting over it

The problem with the screenshot is that it's hard to see all the keys. If you'd be willing to retake the screenshot using the extension mentioned above, it would make things much easier for us

https://forums.backpack.tf/topic/46559-script-the-history-bastard

https://gyazo.com/6990be5fce5999a763c9a993d78f0d49 here. thanks for the help

Clear that 147 is not representative of its value here - the new sale + the higher offers mentioned indicate this should be priced at 147.

Should be priced at 147? Do you mean shouldn't*?

Oops yes that is a typo. I meant shouldn't.

leave unpriced correct?

So now that its sold for 475 keys you want to leave it unpriced ?

Yet you wanted to price it off of a quicksell that was 150 keys, now that it has had fair offers and a good pure sale. You want to leave it unpriced. Seems like your logic is backwards

150 was also a good pure sale.

You have two good pure sales. The options are to either price it at 147-475, two good pure sales, or leave it unpriced.

That's backwards?

I don't have an issue with a suggestion at 475 keys. There is proof that 147 went rather quickly and that there are/were offers higher than that. It's possible the 475 key suggestion would get left up a little to see if another sale does occur, but even then there's enough evidence that 147 is an outlier.

https://backpack.tf/suggestion/5cd43d4fd3817253445eca74 ?? same situation, was closed for same reason

I wasn't aware of that suggestion - will take a closer look and ask other mods for their thoughts

The 147 is very obvious outlier.

And here we got proof of offers and using common sense should be enough to realise that 147 for a burning elite for soldier is dumb

Proof of offers and common sense wasn’t good enough to call 200 an outlier on the shell shocker rocket launcher I just posted, which only ended up getting fixed because you sold it despite claiming it was nfs multiple times.

This is a near-identical situation, same buyer, whatever more you wanna call it. Any action other than closing this and leaving it unpriced would be an act of hypocrisy on the moderation team for failing to act the same way they have in the past.