Suggestion: Strange Unique Fists of Steel at 20 keys

Price Suggestion

~310 keys

76 votes up

6 votes down

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Item Snapshot made Sun, 08 Mar 20 21:09:49 +0000

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60 keys

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This suggestion was accepted Thu, 19 Mar 20 22:09:04 +0000 by Squidward Ethnostate.

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4 sales

https://marketplace.tf/items/tf2/331;6;strange

$34.99 / $1.78 = 19.66 keys

$0.01

$34.99 / $1.75 = 19.99 keys

Bulk

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198353309101#!/compare/1583366400/1583539200

Taking 20 keys flat

these both sold extremely quick after being listed

neither did, both took time to sell, I know since I was one of the sellers

can you show me? also buyer at 20 and I declined 26 keys

you are the buyer, and here is my sell - https://gyazo.com/99f81fd17147cd582ad65500cc2209f2

offers dont = valid points

1 buyer does not counter a valid suggestion, especially one from someone that is selling 2

I started selling today the offer I declined was over suggestion price

oh wow, you found the second mp sale

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198118959715#!/compare/1582761600/1582848000

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198146200909#!/compare/1582761600/1582848000

The das sold for the eviction - https://backpack.tf/suggestion/5e5975d1ce1dc42dd2076606

Nice deleted comments - https://gyazo.com/b8fe459f72d07fe72c88c6b6950c0160

I deleted because there was no point to them if you want I can fill this with fluff

Can you show me how long you had it listed? Or the items history I can’t seem to find it in the suggestion

you can try to track it down, not worth my time when I know how long it took me to sell and how 2 valid sales exist @ that price.

Well I can assume they were quick sells falsify the suggestion it’s your word vs mine

your word vs 2 sales, and given your past rep with lying in suggestions, its not looking good for you.

The two sales could of been quick sales, the suggestion has no basis without histories, I know how fast yugre sold his

If you “don’t have time” to find the items make some, other wise these sales mean nothing

so your whole argument is 1 sellers word vs another?

Yeah it’s both of ours you provided no histories...

I can’t take your word that these weren’t quick sells we didn’t see a single item history...

donald back again trying to falsify suggestions so he can get more profit

getting all the burning mop flashbacks

Yeah I’m surprised that crashed quickly

Imagine wanting profit, ew

imagine trying to falsify valid suggs

At least this can be falsified on some grounds like I mentioned

nope, sorry

like you said, I am an “evil man”

I never said that, but you are a bad liar and just a bad person in general

see https://backpack.tf/suggestion/5e579890100d4a2259149c55

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Nice, admitting that? Now I wonder if an issue isn't already out there because stuff like that needs to be stopped right here, right now. Falsifying suggestions is absolutely unacceptable. The fact you're not even denying it is unbelievable.

If you think I have no grounds for my falsifying please direct me to suggestion rules or dm me. This seems like a personal matter and not a real issue

More like an accusation

First since you asked for it, https://backpack.tf/rules, second https://backpack.tf/u/76561197976440654 a case of someone who, like you, price manipulated (since that's basically what you're attempting because you own one and know you would get better offers if the price was higher) and the consequences they faced. Keep in mind that was way back in terms of ban length, I couldn't find any suitable info unfortunately on the current stance of mods other than guessing it's case by case.

You haven't shown us a single bit of counter proof with all your comments, at best you have added to the suggestion (Marketplace sale I guess) but there's nothing on here basically proving it's worth more.

Sell it for 26 then or any other offer, come here and counter the suggestion and don't comment again please before you have either done that or mods want to hear more, it just floods the suggestion.

I bought pretty fast but I kinda collect these items now.

EDIT: I still think this suggestion should go through.

thank you fish crimes, https://backpack.tf/item/5185184192 it was literally sold in a day. Also yugre had his up and sold it very quick I can get proof (along with the buyer saying it sold quick). Sorry for the clutter, but the "insults"/"points" not pertaining to the suggestion made me respond...

Context:

I built a premium search to more easily track the histories of the items involved to see how long they took to sold. Given that 20 is objectively the most common trading point and the items in question did sell rather fast (giving Donald the benefit of the doubt), I wouldn't mind leaving this suggestion up and reevaluating after more sales have occurred (if more sales will indeed have occurred). I also wouldn't mind accepting if it can't sell for more and it remains a common trading point. I think middle ground is the call here.

I dont see why you would give him the benefit of the doubt and waiting for more sales, 2 sales are an obvious common trading point on an item that requires a refresh. The item is not dropping, nor is raising so he could just update it himself with the new extra sale in the future.

You are basically implying that this suggestion is not valid even though its a common trading point and wanting to wait for him to sell his first, and if he does for his 60 key price it will be a clear outlier in comparison to the sales given.

I mean, it seems that it sold in less than 24 hours. Strange Unique suggestions are typically left up for a month (see: literally almost any strange unique suggestion) because they do not sell often and we'd like to get as much data as possible. In this case, we want to be sure before we push out what could be a premature refresh.

That's literally not what I said. I said: "I wouldn't mind leaving this suggestion up and reevaluating after more sales have occurred (if more sales will indeed have occurred). I also wouldn't mind accepting if it can't sell for more and it remains a common trading point. I think middle ground is the call here." In other words, if Donald manages to sell it for 60, so what? It can always be resuggested or left outdated. Our job isn't to accept premature suggestions. There are cases for both sides (being the sales at 20 sold very quickly and the 20 sales are the literally the only data points we have). I think waiting for now addresses the needs both sides have. You should state an argument with your opinion.

So lets go back to the beginning, you state your argument for leaving it up is due to giving someone the benefit of the doubt and that strange uniques are normally left up for a month. Riddle me this, if they are normally up for a month then why was this not? https://backpack.tf/suggestion/5e02930a40bbaa03812e3475

https://backpack.tf/suggestion/5cb3f207d3817201c6758b3c

Unless it only got 28/21 votes in 1 month, something that I really doubt given suggestion not even a day old normally easily hit 50.

Im guessing due to the fact of who the suggester was, but thats besides the point.

Gonna leave it here, if you are gonna say "literally almost any strange unique suggestion", atleast look at a few before saying that.

But by your logic for the numbers aspect, 2 sales @ 20 and if one was to sell for 60 keys, that would still make 20 keys the common trading point and would instantly exclude 60. By acting like those extra data points matter makes me reconsider how if you would actually read the situation. Since if 2 sales are @ 20 and 1 is @ 60, why would it be left outdated when there is a clear more common trading point.

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And ontop of another note, a buyer said the suggestion is fine given he is not upset about how its @ 20 keys but suggested at what its sold for.

End of discussion.

"...due to giving someone the benefit of the doubt"

I had to pack up and leave a shuttle and get home as I typed that and wanted to leave a response sooner rather than later and did not have time to look in the history. At the time, since I hadn't checked, I gave Donald the benefit of the doubt (presumably because he has no reason to lie; you have to assume everyone is acting in good faith until proven guilty with this kind of thing).

"Riddle me this, if they are normally up for a month then why was this not?"

Look at how much data that first scatter suggestion has. That's over double the amount of sales these have. As for the second one, I would ask blaze since he accepted it.

"Gonna leave it here, if you are gonna say..."

See: "literally almost any strange unique suggestion"

"But by your logic..."

My response says it might even be better to leave outdated; if the sales at 20 happened really fast (one of which happening within less than 24 hours), is it not safe to assume 20 might also be a quicksell? The 20 outnumbering 60 is a valid argument too.

My point is, don't rush suggestions. Dilemmas like the one in the previous paragraph require careful consideration and time (to observe what happens in the market and make an informed decision). If 60 or lower (assuming buyer relists for lower) cannot sell, then we can say with pretty high confidence (at a guaranteed higher confidence than we can say right now) that 20 is just fine.

they have since relisted @ 20 and 29 keys https://gyazo.com/44d2c54fc4c323a0cdf29030d4469c4a

I like how 4 days ago the prices were 40 and 60 keys and described as "fast sellers" and "selling like hotcakes" and now the prices have been slashed by 50% with zero notes regarding how easy they are to move.

Ye, I wonder where all those "offers" of above 20 went hmmmmmmmmm :thonk:

Yeah that's weird, Donald claimed he got an offer at 26 and if that's true we should see both of those sell soonish and just have more data.

he already raffled 1 away im pretty sure, as did the spy cycle he got from the ke bulk sale so I would not be surprised if he also will raffle the last one, and the 26 key offer could have easily been bait to make the suggestion fall through aswell so idk, but we will see

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198353309101#!/compare/1584230400/1584316800

lmao, quicksold for 10

"They sell quickly." "I declined 26 keys." - Donald

Also Donald: 40->20->10 in a week.

Yeah, 20 will be just fine then. 26 was a mixed offer (which I'm now questioning whether or not it was even real) and the other seller even went down to 26.