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Cloud 9 Napoleon Complex
Submitted by surz
~15 keys
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Unusual Napoleon Complex Cloud 9
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    Hmm, I feel like this might be a tad bit high. While the sales are untraceable pretty much all of them support lower


    Sale 1 was most likely 10 keys, the Big Kill matches the group of 12, no other group of keys/items makes sense. Was probably sold to a private inv, hence why no ID matchs - you can see the Napolean does not enter zol's inv at the date of the sale https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198337734785#!/compare/1589328000/1589414400


    Sale 3 was also likely 11, though was probably gambled instantly by someone other than Dan - https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198100484031#!/compare/1591747200/1591833600 is in an obtained together with a Max Head the next day.


    Sale 4 was most likely 9 keys 48 ref

    https://stntrading.eu/item/tf2/Unusual+Cloud+9+Napoleon+Complex - sells for 9 keys 48 ref (buy/sell are backwards, don't worry about it)


    https://backpack.tf/item/7956541637 - was in scrap for over a month, and given how scrap prices things was probably at a price under 12.


    Lastly, I don't think the buyers have been this high until very recently, the buy orders currently are propped up by Papair Plane bot's buy order that is probably too high here, zol and sprekt just overcut.

      While it may seem high, this is still considered a drop, and better than current price.


      You seem to be guessing the sales based on intuition here, and not based on proof. While your intuition could be right, there's also the possibility it could be wrong here. There are no buyouts to go off of here either.


      As for buyers, while they can be considered as high, they're still there, and they show that below 10 would be considered a low outlier (atleast currently).

        Sure this is better than current, but I don't think this is super accurate, as it is based on 2 mp.tf sales with no bot.tf buyouts and a ton of evidence suggesting lower trading points.


        As for going on intuition, yes there is a chance I am wrong, but I would argue the odds I am wrong about each sale is very low:

        1) DedAndrei doesn't cash trade (other than cashing out keys, and those are very obvious in his compares) or use mp.tf or anything, so all trades he makes will visible in compares. The group of 10 is the only one that makes sense. I would give my odds I am correct here are 95 to 5.

        2) The 11 pure sale is the one I am the least sure of, however given a clean compare I would say the odds are 75 to 25 or so.

        3) The stn sale was the listed price, or maybe a few ref less if the buyer had Unusuals.tf in their name to get the slight discount https://backpack.tf/item/7956454810 - was listed on there for stn.tf for over 2 months excluding the tradeback. I messaged SugarFreeCookies about how often he updates the stn prices (as that is the only way this sale was not the listed price) and ill let you know the response, but it I would bet it is almost never. I would give my odds on this sale 90 to 10.


        I'll message DedAndrei to confirm his sale though, as it pains me to see suggestions pass with missing sales because sales are not 100% traceable :(


        EDIT: I should mention that if DedAndrei's sale is 10 pure, it would not be countered by the buyers since they are only up to 9.7, not 10


        EDIT 2: actually I am slightly less confident on the stn sale since if the comment here is correct, stn's price went down over time.

        https://backpack.tf/suggestion/5f0001cbd225b6410b2bd8c2

          Well imo Xergoyf wants to make sure that there is or isn't a common trade point that needs to be included here

            update on how stn prices things: https://imgur.com/a/GUVU0w8


            Seems like the exact price can't be trusted, but given the way Sugar updates prices it is likely to be very close.

            https://imgur.com/a/TqpbizP

            https://prnt.sc/tt9pks

            Ded confirmed it was 10 pure here.


            Buyers have also dropped to ~6 like I predicted in my last comment.


            10 - 12 should be fine.

              Sounds good, will resuggest.

            https://backpack.tf/item/7956541637

            https://imgur.com/a/vu0f0X4 - seller at 11 to watch.

            Worth noting the bot propping up the buy orders is gone, if someone sells to zol or Sprekt the buy orders will drop to ~6.5


            Also DedAndrei has not responded to my messages, so confirmation of the 10 sale might not happen.