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Really becoming the new lemon
Sale 1: https://backpack.tf/item/2032941691
Seller: https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561197968546159#!/compare/1630195200/1630627200
Buyer: https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198161266740#!/compare/1630540800/1630627200
Sold for a Chiroptera Venenata Rotation Sensation (in-date at 627.5) + 230 keys = 857.5 keys
buyout was 2000 keys https://gladiator.tf/listings/6123a995505894f722d15890
Rounding to 860
New sale: 1:1 for knifestorm vive la france https://backpack.tf/suggestion/614c849d42740d2aef595b68
Only sale on the vive, so it'll be used to price the vive.
resuggesting because of new sale
Hey I'm the buyer of the executioner. I found some flaws with the pricing you made.
First of all, here’s the CV Rotation Sensation purchase: https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198161266740#!/compare/1630022400/1630108800
Secondly, here’s the PE Pyromancer’s mask purchase: https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198161266740#!/compare/1629936000/1630022400
Third, here’s the Stormy Storm Exquisite Rack’s purchase: https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198161266740#!/compare/1629763200/1629849600
Time for a little math: I bought the (CV chiroptera + 70keys) for my (Stormy Storm Exquisite Rack + PE Pyromancer mask).
The buy order alone for the Exquisite Racks is 250 keys, so we can safely count it as 275 keys.
The buy order alone for the Pyromancer’s mask is 535 keys, so we can safely count it as 565 keys.
This means that I bought the CV Rotation Sensation for (low percentile key value) 565 + 275 - 70 = 770 keys.
Lastly, I purchased the Spellbound Executioner for CV Rotation Sensation + 230 keys pure. Meaning, 770 + 230 = 1000 keys.
The calculations I use of my purchase for the CV Rotation Sensation is based on quicksell value for the two miscs. Therefore, I think the new price suggestion for the Spellbound Executioner Should be around 1000-1100 keys.
Thank you.
The suggestion isn't based on how much you paid for the rotation sensation, but rather how much the rotation is currently valued at, based on recent sales.
1: you can't price your rack / pyromancer that way, you'd need to suggest a price for them.
2: even if you paid 770 for the rotation, there were still sales at 580, 600, and 675: the price wouldn't necessarily be 770.
The TF2 trading system is completely controlled by people and, since control is carried out on enormously number of people, it needs proof on everything that make changes. Only proof of purchase can serve as an adequate argument in the suggestion, otherwise it is evidence made on the basis of personal experience that may and will be different from the worldview of other people (Examples: Pricings of spells, Absolutely different opinions about dupes due to lack of good evidence). If my words are not enough for you, then let's jump to examples. 90% of all suggestions created of an unusual purchase based not the full price of the item, but the price of its quicksell or mid-price, but the most important thing here is not the fact that this phenomenon exists, but the fact that MODERATION fully supports even such statements. We must be honest with each other, words mean nothing in the world of economic change if they have no evidence.
For your first point: What you're implying isn't logical since the Racks alone is priced at 195-235, however the literal bots alone pay 250 keys for them. Yet again, who is willing to quicksell their soldier misc? Furthermore, the CV Rotation Sensation is currently priced at 580-675 keys, nevertheless, b/os itself are at 650 keys, not to mention it is a god tier effect on a god tier hat. Therefore, my pricing is a lot more accurate and makes more sense than suggested prices.
Addressing your second point: As I've mentioned before, hats such as the CV Rotation Sensation did sell for 580, 600, and 675, however the key word you've used, "were" explains everything. With b/os of the hat itself reaching 650 keys, chances are lots of traders/collectors out there would pay a lot more than 750-800 keys for the hat. From your statement alone, the numbers just keep increasing (580 to 600 and then to 675). It wouldn't be logical to price the CV Rotation Sensation at 627.5 keys (which is literally below buy order).
Thank you
The TF2 trading system is completely controlled by people and, since control is carried out on enormously number of people, it needs proof on everything that make changes. Only proof of purchase can serve as an adequate argument in the suggestion, otherwise it is evidence made on the basis of personal experience that may and will be different from the worldview of other people (Examples: Pricings of spells, Absolutely different opinions about dupes due to lack of good evidence). If my words are not enough for you, then let's jump to examples. 90% of all suggestions created of an unusual purchase based not the full price of the item, but the price of its quicksell or mid-price, but the most important thing here is not the fact that this phenomenon exists, but the fact that MODERATION fully supports even such statements. We must be honest with each other, words mean nothing in the world of economic change if they have no evidence.
For your first point: What you're implying isn't logical since the Racks alone is priced at 195-235, however the literal bots alone pay 250 keys for them. Yet again, who is willing to quicksell their soldier misc? Furthermore, the CV Rotation Sensation is currently priced at 580-675 keys, nevertheless, b/os itself are at 650 keys, not to mention it is a god tier effect on a god tier hat. Therefore, my pricing is a lot more accurate and makes more sense than suggested prices.
Addressing your second point: As I've mentioned before, hats such as the CV Rotation Sensation did sell for 580, 600, and 675, however the key word you've used, "were" explains everything. With b/os of the hat itself reaching 650 keys, chances are lots of traders/collectors out there would pay a lot more than 750-800 keys for the hat. From your statement alone, the numbers just keep increasing (580 to 600 and then to 675). It wouldn't be logical to price the CV Rotation Sensation at 627.5 keys (which is literally below buy order).
Thank you
thanks man, well said!
The TF2 trading system is completely controlled by people and, since control is carried out on enormously number of people, it needs proof on everything that make changes. Only proof of purchase can serve as an adequate argument in the suggestion, otherwise it is evidence made on the basis of personal experience that may and will be different from the worldview of other people (Examples: Pricings of spells, Absolutely different opinions about dupes due to lack of good evidence). If my words are not enough for you, then let's jump to examples. 90% of all suggestions created of an unusual purchase based not the full price of the item, but the price of its quicksell or mid-price, but the most important thing here is not the fact that this phenomenon exists, but the fact that MODERATION fully supports even such statements. We must be honest with each other, words mean nothing in the world of economic change if they have no evidence.
For your first point: What you're implying isn't logical since the Racks alone is priced at 195-235, however the literal bots alone pay 250 keys for them. Yet again, who is willing to quicksell their soldier misc? Furthermore, the CV Rotation Sensation is currently priced at 580-675 keys, nevertheless, b/os itself are at 650 keys, not to mention it is a god tier effect on a god tier hat. Therefore, my pricing is a lot more accurate and makes more sense than suggested prices.
Addressing your second point: As I've mentioned before, hats such as the CV Rotation Sensation did sell for 580, 600, and 675, however the key word you've used, "were" explains everything. With b/os of the hat itself reaching 650 keys, chances are lots of traders/collectors out there would pay a lot more than 750-800 keys for the hat. From your statement alone, the numbers just keep increasing (580 to 600 and then to 675). It wouldn't be logical to price the CV Rotation Sensation at 627.5 keys (which is literally below buy order).
Thank you
Im sorry sir but I do not see any buyouts for 650 keys on the cv rotation
It's right there sir, in the classifieds listings. R+ubi || Impersonated made the listing
where??//?? https://gyazo.com/c9086ad81b41e9d2c9c6f6b531a2d855
I think you are misunderstanding me. I meant bot buy order.
Your first paragraph is why suggestions are made, and there is a suggestion already made in the rotation sensation. You say only proof of purchase can serve as an adequate argument in a suggestion, here is the proof of purchases https://backpack.tf/suggestion/60fb5f09582ab11945381c1e
You say words mean nothing in world of economic change if they have no evidence, here is the evidence https://backpack.tf/suggestion/60fb5f09582ab11945381c1e
For your second paragraph, this suggestion doesn't need to know what stormy exquisite racks are currently trading for because the Chiroptera Rotation Sensation is already in-date, here is that suggestion https://backpack.tf/suggestion/60fb5f09582ab11945381c1e
And for the third paragraph, you are doing the same thing you say you are against doing - you say that words mean nothing without evidence, the evidence is here and it was fully perfect at the time https://backpack.tf/suggestion/60fb5f09582ab11945381c1e
Additionally, you mention buyers on the Chiroptera Rotation at 650 a lot. I only see one buyer. One buyer will not be enough to counter the three sales all around a reasonable price range from the Chioptera Rotation's suggestion. https://backpack.tf/suggestion/60fb5f09582ab11945381c1e
I think you’re missing the point. Ill cut straight to the point, what I am trying to point out is that halloween hats such as the CV Rotation Sensation has a pattern of increasing in value from each purchases. In Cedarium’s suggestion, he/she counted the rotation sensation value as lower than even buy orders. As my claim, I have stated that the hats i used to purchase the rotation sensation cost around 770 (counting it as sort of quicksell value). In addition, since the Rotation Sensation is a 1 of 1 market hat, one buyorder would suffice. Not to mention the fact that it is super rare for sellers to sell their hats for b/o price, nevertheless if it happens the buy order exists regardless. If the buy order to the rotation sensation alone is 650 keys, the most logical offers would be 800-900+ otherwise would be a quicksell.
"Ill cut straight to the point, what I am trying to point out is that halloween hats such as the CV Rotation Sensation has a pattern of increasing in value from each purchases."
Whether this is true or not, the CV Rotation Sensation has a price and it is in-date and usable, so that was the price used for the suggestion.
"In Cedarium’s suggestion, he/she counted the rotation sensation value as lower than even buy orders."
The price used was the suggestion that is already in-date and usable.
"As my claim, I have stated that the hats i used to purchase the rotation sensation cost around 770 (counting it as sort of quicksell value)."
So let's say we went back to the Chiroptera Rotation Sensation suggestion and added your sale.
https://backpack.tf/suggestion/60fb5f09582ab11945381c1e
The sales for that suggestion would be 580 keys all pure, 600 keys all pure, 675 keys all pure, and then 770 keys or more in items.
Looking at the available proof, your 770 purchase is a statistical outlier. 580-675 is a suitable range all of 100 keys of each other, and then your purchase is at minimum, off of quicksell value like you say, about 100 keys over the highest pure sale. Just because you buy it for that amount does not mean that it is the value. Unless of course, you can prove it. But with all the available proof right now, 770 keys/your sale is a statistical outlier. So this suggestion using the appropriately priced 580-675 key suggestion is correct.
"In addition, since the Rotation Sensation is a 1 of 1 market hat, one buyorder would suffice."
This sentence has no weight at all. 1 of 1 on market doesn't mean anything, and one buy order on the hat doesn't mean anything either.
"Not to mention the fact that it is super rare for sellers to sell their hats for b/o price, nevertheless if it happens the buy order exists regardless."
This sentence also has no weight. You were so adamant about having proof and evidence earlier, and now the sentences are slowly devolving into proofless statements that don't even add any value to the arguments.
"If the buy order to the rotation sensation alone is 650 keys, the most logical offers would be 800-900+ otherwise would be a quicksell."
The hat is being appropriately priced at 860 keys in this suggestion.
"If the buy order to the rotation sensation alone is 650 keys, the most logical offers would be 800-900+ otherwise would be a quicksell."
Im talking about the Rotation Sensation in this sentence not the executioner.
Considering the CV rot sens for less than bot’s value is definitely not accurate.
Also, you stated that just because I bought it for that much doesn’t mean the hat’s value cost that much. Well how else are you going to price them? For the other hats suggestions you occasionally use only one trade for the suggestion.