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Aces High Antlers
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Credit to aj for the help!


Sale 1: Sold for a Signed Burning Flames Hong Kong Cone(Recently priced at 510 keys), Signed SnowFallen Hunter in Darkness(Ongoing price suggestion at 250 keys- exclude since it was a separate trade and that was won from a crab), 160 keys, 8 TOD Tix (4 keys), 6 Festivizers(2 keys), 5.8 keys in paints, 3 Gift wraps (0.1 key), 0.5 keys in strange parts, 3 decal tools (0.2 keys ), 0.5 keys in mvm parts, 2 description tags(0.05 keys) and a HellDivers 2 Game on Steam (24.03 keys) ---- 715Keys


Item History: https://backpack.tf/item/3371574210


Seller: https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198064724507#!/compare/1710201600/1710288000


Buyer: https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198084146269#!/compare/1710201600/1710288000


Mini for HellDivers 2 --- 24 keys


Sold for an Australium Minigun


https://next.backpack.tf/profiles/76561198064724507/compare?from=1710374400&to=1710460800 = ~ 24 keys


So including the Hunter in Darkness (Ongoing price suggestion at 250 keys) it would be: 510 + 250 + 160 + 4 + 2 + 5.8 + 3 + 24 + 0.1 + 0.3 + 0.5+ 0.5 + 0.05 = 960.25 Keys = ~ 960 Keys


So excluding the Hunter in Darkness (Ongoing price suggestion at 250 keys) it would be: 510 + 160 + 4 + 2 + 5.8 + 3 + 24 + 0.1 + 0.3 + 0.5+ 0.5 + 0.05 = 710.25 Keys = ~ 715 Keys


Rounding up to 715 Keys


Sale 2: 745 Keys


Item History: https://backpack.tf/item/3371574210


Seller: https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198064724507#!/compare/1710374400/1710460800


Buyer: https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198084146269#!/compare/1710288000/1710374400


Going with a range of 715 keys - 745 keys or an average of 730 keys flat.


Feedback welcome! Thanks!

Avatar ★ RussellSproutz · posted

    Tradeback, downvote

    Avatar ★ ultralow b>bp's/keys · posted

      Thanks for the feedback, ultralow. Peace out!

      Avatar ★ RussellSproutz · posted

      3 things

      1) screenshot your trade history, and also wherever you agreed that the Hunter is or isn't involved in the trade

      2) why did 710.25 keys round up to 715 keys?? Shouldn't it be 710 if it's nearest 5 keys

      3) frankly no clue how you're mini-ing the helldivers without a screenshot of your trade history


      I still am personally under the assumption that the first trade for the burning hkc and 135 pure. We'll need screenshots here

      Avatar ★ aj · posted

        Ok sounds good. I can do that let me get on it really quickly aj.


        1) For the hunter we talked about it verbally. I crabbed Wendigo for it last month. All I did was ask for a signature, but in our discussions it was verbal when we said the the Hunter in Darkness was like a down payment for the Aces High Antlers if anything. I will ask him to do a confirmation though about the Hunter in Darkness as there was a separate sale for it at 250 keys.



        2) I personally thought for this amount it was around 715 because before I edited it was like 713 keys, but I can round down to 710 though on the next suggestion.



        3) Here's +rep from me and my friend, Patrik I traded with for Aussie Minigun for the the HellDivers CD Code:


        https://backpack.tf/trust/76561198064724507


        https://backpack.tf/trust/76561198171799703


        I just sold it to a bot for 24 keys and a couple ref and that's why I evaluated it at 24 keys.


        Also for the Burning Flames HKC it was sold under buy orders at the evaluation of 645 keys. There are generic buy orders at 640 keys for Antlers and buy orders at 650 keys for Aces Antlers I was sharked, but I was able to negotiate a settlement with Wendigo to get in addition to the 70 keys in adds from varying in keys, random sweets, and Hell Divers 2.


        Anyway, I will get the screenshots so we can get it settled. Thanks for clarifying, aj. If anything a 3rd revision will be needed.

        Avatar ★ RussellSproutz · posted

          Okay


          1) "in our discussions it was verbal when we said the the Hunter in Darkness was like a down payment for the Aces High Antlers if anything." - I'm not buying this, you pre-agreed to a down-payment that you got from a spycrab, a gamble, and that's somehow being considered part of the trade here. I still don't have any sceenshots of anything that even remotely suggests the Hunter was involved. If it's verbally agreed then frankly I am inclined to just forget about the Hunter in the trade.


          2) Please submit screenshots of chat messages where you agree to trade Helldivers for the aussie, you can include screenshots of your trade history too, they should be back to back in your trading history. Use snipping tool + imgur if you don't have gyazo or light shot.


          3) "There are generic buy orders at 640 keys for Antlers and buy orders at 650 keys for Aces Antlers I was sharked, but I was able to negotiate a settlement with Wendigo to get 70 keys in adds" - why is talk of being sharked here, I already said that the range can be made as 645 - 745 which puts the median value at 695, far above buyers.

          Avatar ★ aj · posted

        1) Cont'd Oh here's the screenshots from my trade with Wendigo this past week -

        https://photos.app.goo.gl/MX2wWL6wZw1nQy3c7
        Avatar ★ RussellSproutz · posted

          This makes it even more confusing, please can you take screenshots using either:

          https://forums.backpack.tf/topic/47731-script-ultimate-inventory-history-and-scm-history-viewer-the-history-bastard/

          or taking screenshots of the full trade using your browser like you did with your steam and discord chats


          You said another 10 key crab happened between you and Wendigo and that's somehow being included in the addition for the original aces antlers trade? It's a gamble, why on earth is it being used to increase the value of the aces antlers sale?


          And to reply to your earlier comment, a confirmation that you and Wendigo valued the Snowfallen Hunter at 250 keys is useless. It shows no purpose outside of what 2 people agree the value of an item is in a trade, not the confirmation I asked for which is whether the Hunter was actually involved in the aces antlers trade.The mini you made where it sold for 250 keys is the actual useful proof but if there's nothing outside of a tacit verbal agreement that you made on a trade server, and the trade happened later (just to get the hat signed may I add) then it should be flat out excluded from the trade and the original trade of BF HKC + 135 is the value.


          I just don't know what to make of this trade. Will have to ask a mod to check this all out.


          EDIT: please use imgur, most people don't want to doxx themselves when they click a google photos link. For anyone wanting to check the album out, just open it in an incognito tab

          Avatar ★ aj · posted

            no he sponsored 10 keys for me to crab someone, EVIL on TGP

            Avatar ★ RussellSproutz · posted

              Why on earth is that included in the trade for the aces high antlers then

              Avatar ★ aj · posted

                It was part of the trade deal in the transaction it was to save me time to trade the 10 keys to EVIL

                Avatar ★ RussellSproutz · posted

                  I've read this sentence twice now and I still don't get completely.

                  Wendigo gave you 10 keys to crab someone because you didn't have the 10 keys at the time.


                  It's now being added to the aces antlers sale because it saved you time having to trade the 10 keys to a 3rd party.


                  I'm perplexed on why the outcome of a crab changes whether or not a sale is worth 10 keys more or 10 keys less?

                  Avatar ★ aj · posted

                    I just meant that 10 keys were included in the trade that happened to be crabbed. I have keys I got 1001 keys rn and at the time I had 1600+ keys. I just wanted it as efficient as possible since Wendigo gave me 15 keys pure and 75 keys in IOUs


                    Anyway here's my +rep about the 10 keys being paid up:

                    https://backpack.tf/trust/76561198064724507


                    Looks like this is going back and forth here and on Discord. At the end of the day, I sold my Aces Antlers way below sellers and buy orders. If it weren't for my friend to give me an additional reimbursement of 70 in a mix consisting of a game of Hell Divers 2, 25 keys, and 35 keys in the mix, which adds up to 715. I'm also willing to include my Snowfallen Hunter in Darkness at 250 as Wendigo and I agreed and there's a price suggestion with a sale at 250 too so we can put that at 965 keys, but I'll cap that at 850 since one of the Aces High Antlers is listed at 850 by flux.


                    So I can do multiple things:


                    710- 745


                    745 - 850


                    745


                    645 - 745


                    or even just close the suggestion entirely.


                    I would also like to mention in the previous suggestion which Extazi had open has sales super old like all the way to last year in June 2023. We're in March now and I sold my Aces High Antlers way below sellers and buyers too.


                    I'm always open for the mods to put their opinion in, aj


                    Thank you again for your patience and for discussing this, homie. I just believe this is a very complicated case

                    Avatar ★ RussellSproutz · posted

                      I still don't get it, where's the chatlogs indicating that the 10 key crab is involved with the trade? Why is the 10 key crab being considered part of the Aces Antlers trade if you had 1600 keys at the time?


                      You sold the aces antlers for more or less buyers sure but since there are 2 sales here, a range could have been argued. The somehow added complexity and confusion, that you keep managing to add to, is what's stopping me from even considering the suggestion to be valid.


                      I'm already strongly against including the Snowfallen Hunter in Darkness, I have my guesses as to why you're "willing to include" it in the sale but that's besides the point. You're suggesting that your original sale for the burning hkc + 135 pure had an additional 70 keys involved, that's weird but nothing too questionable if there were chatlogs at the time backing it up. You're also saying that the Snowfallen Hunter that you gambled for should also be included in the sale which further bumps up the value of the sale. (I have no idea why you're capping it with the sellers, sales always cap at the buyout of the person you bought the item from.)


                      Okay, but that then means you bought it back for less in keys which leads to anotehr problem. This now means that Wendigo supposedly paid "965 keys" for the antlers that he then resold to you for 745 keys flat. Which is where I'd firmly draw the line and say 965 keys should clearly be excluded given it sold for way less in keys.


                      Yeah the previous suggestion has old sales, refer back to my first comment here:

                      https://backpack.tf/suggestion/65f3a7cbe809f7abc60f9ef9#comment-65f3bc5fc6feb2cccd0f5de0

                      I've already mentioned that there was some logic in updating the antlers with more recent sales so not sure why you had to repeat that.


                      I don't think this is a complicated case, we have 2 different situations that you're putting forward and only one real outcome which is we just treat the sales as a tradeback and wait for an actual proper sale to happen.

                      Avatar ★ aj · posted

      https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198064724507#!/compare/1711152000/1711238400


      Bulk exclude


      Closing suggestion due to trade back

      Avatar ★ RussellSproutz · posted