Suggestion: Green Black Hole Surgeon's Stahlhelm at 970 keys

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~524 keys

46 votes up

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This suggestion was closed Tue, 10 Dec 24 02:23:53 +0000 by the submitter.

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item1

https://backpack.tf/item/1710090391

sale1

https://next.backpack.tf/profiles/76561198088665810/compare?from=1719273600&to=1720224000

bulk for S.B crone's dome

sale2

https://next.backpack.tf/profiles/76561198057355049/compare?from=1721606400&to=1721692800

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198080726986#!/compare/1721692800/1721779200

700keys + spelled antifreeze Stahl helm

mini fore sale 2

https://backpack.tf/suggestion/660bc8e35e55c9d5010b6c9e

spelled helm(450keys, closed)

https://backpack.tf/suggestion/651df95abde76561b203c4c9

non spelled(270keys)

= 700 + 270 = 970keys (with non spelled price suggestion)

= 700 + 450 = 1150keys (with spelled closed price suggestion)

= 970

Sorry this has been open so long. If the Anti-Freeze Stahlhelm in this sale was spelled, you should use the spelled mini price of 450 for it, not the non-spelled price of 270. The 450 suggestion was closed because the spelled variant was demonstrably more than the non-spelled variant, but that doesn't make 450 an invalid price for the spelled one here. The sale for this Stahlhelm should be 1150, not 970.

Every past suggestion for this item was accepted using a spelled sale, suggesting there was nothing at the time to suggest the non-spelled and spelled variants were valued any differently. In the continued absence of that here, this sale can be used. However, you'll need to use 450 for the Anti-Freeze Stahlhelm price and resuggest this at 1150.

thanks for that, i'll resuggest later :)

This sale is for a double spell, not to mention that it is CC+ HH which is the best combo. Non-spelled is active. I do not think that this is a representative value

have no other same item S/O in bp.tf,

and https://backpack.tf/suggestion/660bc8e35e55c9d5010b6c9e << this suggestion was rejected

some items suggestion was passed with spelled price, cause have no other sell orders or other item owner doesn't move

yeah i didn't mention about CC, HH that was my miss

sorry for that, but can check easy in item history link

It does not matter that the non-spelled is not listed for sale, it just matters that the owner is active on Steam.

CC + HH is the best spell combo and is sure to massively increase the price of any item with both applied. Even if the owner of the non-spelled was inactive, I would still dislike this price suggestion unless it was a 1 of 1 hat, just because of how much the spells contribute to the sale.

The current outdated pricing is based on exact same hat mind you, unless the owner of other active hat is going to sell it then this is only current source of valid sale data.

Including multiple other times this exact same spelled hat was used to price it in the past.

Price mods will in the end decide on this.

So, this seems like a bit of a unique situation. Yes, it is true that the most recent accepted suggestion was based on a sale of the double-spelled version. However, it seems a new copy has been unboxed since that suggestion was accepted.

https://imgur.com/a/cbRqVJH

Looks like unboxed on 7/31/2022 per Backpack.tf Stats page.

Item History:

https://backpack.tf/item/11891175079

Was last recorded in the first user's backpack on 8/03/2022. This means the Stats page jumping from 2 to 3 was not because a copy was traded from a private inventory, but rather was unboxed.

Looking at recent conversation on this topic:

https://forums.backpack.tf/topic/83639-we-need-to-separate-spelled-and-non-spelled-unusual-sales/#comment-683071

Quoting Foamy the Fearsome on example # 2, "Based on the data we have present, it is clear that none of the others have moved in at least 7 years (presumably ~9 years, when it was last priced). ... These other owners are inactive, so it is very plausible that every future sale we're going to get is going to be for this spelled version, which makes it an effective 1/1 available."

Of course, this is not a rule - just a Moderator commenting on a prior example of a price suggestion based upon a spelled sale. However, I want to mention that this assumedly newly (2022) unboxed copy of the GBH Stahlhelm has actually sold twice since the previous price suggestion was accepted - that being based upon a sale of the spelled copy.

I have no horse in this race, and I am not arguing one way or the other for my sake. I just want to bring forward some discussion on this odd scenario that I have not encountered before.

Of course dear. We just have to see what happens in the end.