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Might need some moderator input on this one
Sold for $148.01 using Skinport as a middleman (private sale feature):
https://imgur.com/gohaQo3
https://skinport.com/tf2/item/unusual-beanie-the-all-gnawing+nightmarish-storm/50086301
https://backpack.tf/item/13737322078
With Keys at ~$1.74 (see below), this is ~85 Keys
It makes more sense to use the standard cash value for keys, than the price of keys on that site, because the default sale fee is 12%, whereas they only charge 2% for their middleman service.
Key Price (for non-crypto):
https://forums.backpack.tf/forum/27-team-fortress-2-cash-trading/
$1.73: https://forums.backpack.tf/topic/78500-tf2-keys-%E2%87%84-paypalzellecrypto-btcethltcbchusdcusdt-b-1695-s-173-gadget-exchange-website/
$1.74: https://forums.backpack.tf/topic/85774-selling-1000s-of-keys-174-usd-via-paypal-%F0%9F%92%B0/
$1.75: https://forums.backpack.tf/topic/76949-selling-keys-175-for-zelle-no-fees-venmo-no-fees-cash-app-no-fees-no-paypal-333-rep/
Taking $1.74.
Keys are currently $1.71 on MP (as well as Skinport) after any seller fees, so it's pretty reasonable.
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Two current buyers for 78 Keys, no current sellers:
https://imgur.com/a/U5qnJ25
looks good to me, thats pmuch cash and the 2% shouldnt be included as its a payment for a service
For skinport sales you use skinport key price, not the cash price. Same as marketplace.tf sales
I'm using the site on euro so:
136.95 Euro / 1.76 Euro = 77.81 keys, rounded to 78 keys
(given the key price stays at 1.76 for the day)
It wouldn't make sense to use the skinport key price though, because that's with a sale fee of 12%, and the middleman function uses a fee of 2% only, no? Also using the skinport key price would put the sale below buy orders, which wouldn't make sense since I received more than buy order value in cash (hence why I even suggested this sale route).
The buyer was also willing to pay more initially through MP, but I suggested Skinport instead so I'd get a little more and he'd pay a little less, too.
Rationally, I'd think MP sales would be different from here because all items sold on MP are under the same fees.
Current buy order is at 60 keys so you def got more than that. The 78 buyer is gone now, and since the sale rounds to 78 it should be fine to use.
Skinport is a cash trading site just like marketplace.tf, so it gets treated the exact same way as marketplace.tf.
If an item sells on marketplace you can also not just use the forum key price (which is significantly lower). The same goes for steam community market sales. If we used cash buyer price for scm suggestions with scm sales, they would be like 30% higher.
It's just how the suggestion rules are defined, nothing to argue about really.
"Use the value of keys on the site at which the item sold to determine the key conversion at the time of the trade. (i.e. use the SCM value of keys on SCM sales, use the marketplace.tf value of keys on marketplace.tf sales, use the opskins value of keys on opskins sales). For most transactions, this means you can use the key value at the exact date of the sale. When key prices are not stable, or when key values are unusually high or low at a certain day, a key average over a longer amount of time can be taken instead; a more detailed explanation can be found here." - the rules
But it didn't sell on the site via traditional means, you aren't reading what I'm writing. We used its private middleman service with explicitly lower fees, which normal listings on the site don't get the luxury of. The suggestion rules for third-party sites and the SCM make sense for traditional listings because the price of the unusual and the price of the keys would fall under the same seller fees (which greatly influence what people list items for), but that isn't the case here.
I don't know, maybe the mods will decide to side with you, but it wouldn't make sense IMO. I literally got paid more and he paid a little less, than if we were to use our original agreement on MP, which would've resulted in a higher price suggestion by that logic.
it really should not matter what the fees were, the buyer paid x amount so the suggestion should always be x amount divided by key price.
but yeah, let the mods decide on it.
So you're telling me I should've listed it on MP, not only receiving less money but also making him pay more? For the sake of the price suggestion being higher?
Not really what I am saying no. If we go by your logic, shouldn't it be sale price x0.98 divided by key price then? Since you want to treat it as a cash trade, shouldn't we exclude what you paid the "middleman" (if we treat it like a normal cash trade through middleman) and suggest this at 83?
We can argue about this for ages, just let mods decided what's best.
Suggestions involving brokering take what the buyer paid and excludes what the seller paid the broker (e.g. SBTWC Bombing Run), so I'd assume it'd be similar for a middleman sale. I'm also still using the key price that the buyer would pay, since we are suggesting based off of sale price. If we go off of what I received after fees, we should then also base keys off of how much I receive from them (~$1.71) which would put this at ~86, close enough to 85?
Your feedback was appreciated and discussion ultimately does help the mod make a decision.
As the person who priced the spelled TSFP SBTWC Bombing Run, I can vouch. I don't think 7 key difference would cause an issue, but it's up to the mods on what they want to do.
The price should be what the buyer paid divided what you'd have to pay for Keys via the cash method the sale used for consistency. The average Key price for the week of the sale was ~$1.877 with the normal 12% fee method. However, with fees being lower for the sale avenue used here, I'd argue the price of Keys if you were to sell them the same way should be used.
I don't know how you easily see that with sales being private, but extrapolating what it probably would've been through the middleman method yields a Key price closer to $1.686. That makes the sale here closer to 88 Keys. With how long this has been open and not knowing the actual middleman Key price, the margin of error between 85 and 88 is fine enough to accept this suggestion as it is.