Sales older than 3 months old are not valid proof.
Use the value of keys on the site at which the item sold to determine the key conversion at the time of the trade. (i.e. use the SCM value of keys on SCM sales, use the marketplace.tf value of keys on marketplace.tf sales, use the opskins value of keys on opskins sales). For most transactions, this means you can use the key value at the exact date of the sale.
Rule - If the item is over 1 Key, round to the nearest .05 Keys
Rule - If the item is over 10 Keys, round to the nearest 0.1 Keys
You have to use the actual sales data of the Strange Winterland Wrapped War Paint (Field-Tested) as proof. Using other items is meaningless.
Thanks for pointing this out. I’m aware sales are the strongest proof, but at the moment there are no confirmed recent sales for the FT Strange Winterland Wrapped.
That’s why I pulled in current classifieds and external listings as supporting context. I agree applied weapons or other wears aren’t primary proof — they’re just there to frame the market.
If/when actual sales for this exact variant appear, the range should definitely be updated to reflect those instead. For now, the 8–11 range is meant as a placeholder based on the only datapoints available (bp.tf classified at 8 keys, STN ~7 keys, Marketplace.tf ~$18.99).
Just as the rules say: you can’t define a trade point based on the seller or buyer.
Unless there’s an actual sale, the mods will just close this suggestion.
Oh okay, sorry for missing that, Ill do more reading. I really appreciate the advise. Thanks!
how u type out such a big suggestion with none of the actual info required
This item has very little direct sales history, so I had to pull evidence from multiple sources (bp.tf classifieds, STNTrading, Marketplace.tf, Mannco).
There is a bp.tf classified at 8 keys, a STN listing at ~7 keys + ref, and a Marketplace.tf cash listing at $18.99 (~11 keys).
That’s why the range is 8–11 keys — it reflects the few datapoints available.
If you have more direct FT sales to point to, I’d be glad to update with them.
mannco sales aren’t even allowed
I see, thanks for the info, ill do more research. First time doing a proper suggestion.
I really appreciate you pointing things out for me!
alongside the other comments already mentioned. we don't allow suggestions for war paints / skins that have a value below 10 keys on average.
[Suggestion] Strange Winterland Wrapped War Paint (Field-Tested): 8 – 11 keys
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Evidence:
- Backpack.tf classifieds:
• Active listing at 8 keys in pure for FT variant → establishes a real floor.
https://backpack.tf/stats/Strange/Winterland%20Wrapped%20%7C%20War%20Paint%20%28Field-Tested%29/Tradable/Craftable
- STNTrading:
• Listing at ~7 keys + 3.77 ref for FT variant.
https://stntrading.eu/item/tf2/Strange%2BWinterland%2BWrapped%2BWar%2BPaint%2B%28Field-Tested%29
- Marketplace.tf:
• FT Winterland Wrapped shown at ~$18.99 (≈ 11 keys at current key/USD).
https://marketplace.tf/items/tf2/17254%3B15%3Bw3%3Bpk254
• BS version listed around ~$16 (≈ 9–10 keys).
https://marketplace.tf/items/tf2/17254%3B15%3Bw5%3Bpk254
- Mannco.store:
• Well-Worn Strange listed at ~$8.52, much lower wear tier.
https://mannco.store/cn/item/440-strange-winterland-wrapped-war-paint-well-worn
- Applied weapons (context only):
• Rocket Launcher WW ~5 keys: https://backpack.tf/stats/Strange/Winterland%20Wrapped%20%7C%20Rocket%20Launcher%20%28Well-Worn%29/Tradable/Craftable
• Iron Bomber FN ~40 keys: https://backpack.tf/stats/Strange/Winterland%20Wrapped%20%7C%20Iron%20Bomber%20%28Factory%20New%29/Tradable/Craftable
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Analysis:
- Multiple sources confirm real activity between 7–8 keys in pure (STN + bp.tf classifieds).
- Marketplace.tf shows cash listing at ~$18.99 (~11 keys), suggesting a higher ceiling.
- BS variant priced ~$16 (~9–10 keys) implies FT should sit above it, supporting 11 keys as reasonable.
- Mannco’s Well-Worn values are lower, serving as a baseline that FT should exceed.
- Applied versions show higher premiums but are not direct anchors for base paint pricing.
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Conclusion:
Suggested range: **8 – 11 keys**
- 8 keys = confirmed bp.tf classified listing floor.
- 11 keys = supported by Marketplace.tf ~$18.99 listing, consistent with BS ~$16 baseline.
This range reflects both pure TF trades and external USD listings, while acknowledging low liquidity.
Please remember that common trade points are defined by completed sales - not buyers or sellers.
https://backpack.tf/help/suggestions
What is valid proof?
Sales older than 3 months old are not valid proof.
Use the value of keys on the site at which the item sold to determine the key conversion at the time of the trade. (i.e. use the SCM value of keys on SCM sales, use the marketplace.tf value of keys on marketplace.tf sales, use the opskins value of keys on opskins sales). For most transactions, this means you can use the key value at the exact date of the sale.
Rule - If the item is over 1 Key, round to the nearest .05 Keys
Rule - If the item is over 10 Keys, round to the nearest 0.1 Keys
You have to use the actual sales data of the Strange Winterland Wrapped War Paint (Field-Tested) as proof. Using other items is meaningless.
Thanks for pointing this out. I’m aware sales are the strongest proof, but at the moment there are no confirmed recent sales for the FT Strange Winterland Wrapped.
That’s why I pulled in current classifieds and external listings as supporting context. I agree applied weapons or other wears aren’t primary proof — they’re just there to frame the market.
If/when actual sales for this exact variant appear, the range should definitely be updated to reflect those instead. For now, the 8–11 range is meant as a placeholder based on the only datapoints available (bp.tf classified at 8 keys, STN ~7 keys, Marketplace.tf ~$18.99).
Just as the rules say: you can’t define a trade point based on the seller or buyer.
Unless there’s an actual sale, the mods will just close this suggestion.
Rules are rules.
Here’s more info you need to read: https://backpack.tf/rules https://backpack.tf/help/suggestions
Oh okay, sorry for missing that, Ill do more reading. I really appreciate the advise. Thanks!
how u type out such a big suggestion with none of the actual info required
This item has very little direct sales history, so I had to pull evidence from multiple sources (bp.tf classifieds, STNTrading, Marketplace.tf, Mannco).
There is a bp.tf classified at 8 keys, a STN listing at ~7 keys + ref, and a Marketplace.tf cash listing at $18.99 (~11 keys).
That’s why the range is 8–11 keys — it reflects the few datapoints available.
If you have more direct FT sales to point to, I’d be glad to update with them.
mannco sales aren’t even allowed
I see, thanks for the info, ill do more research. First time doing a proper suggestion.
I really appreciate you pointing things out for me!
alongside the other comments already mentioned. we don't allow suggestions for war paints / skins that have a value below 10 keys on average.
https://forums.backpack.tf/topic/36705-rules-for-non-unusual-suggestions/#findComment-538336
Thanks for the information, I dont want it to seem like i am ignoring the advice, I'll take down the suggestion