Suggestion: Mann Co. Supply Crate Key at 4.33–4.66 ref

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~64.56 ref

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http://tf2finance.com/keys/ - 4.54

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/51656d124bd7b8031f00000b - More proof

Demand rose, and this site is behind.. but maybe the ranges being suggested is wrong. I keep hearing traders say how they can buy for 4.33, and lazy people will buy fro 4.66...so maybe this is the best range.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9944760 - Sells for 4.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9956654 - Sells for 4.66, buyer offered 4.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9923845 - Buys for 4.44 and sells for 4.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9610741 - Sells for 4.66, used to sell for 4.44 but sold too quickly

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9923335 - Sold for 4,66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8369543 - Sold recently for 4.77

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9538806 - Able to buy for 4.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9541920 - Able to buy for 4.11

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9899804 - Bought at least 1 for 4.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9617854 (week old) - Able to buy keys for 4.22 if through possible bulk buying

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9975599 - Buys keys for 4.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9820264 - Buys keys for 4.55 - 4.60

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9964620 - Bought 2 keys for 4.33

I'll add some more links soon!

Also for those that really hate me...show any me any other key suggester that will link to a 4.11, 4.22, and 4,33 key sale? Everyone else is just showing high proof.

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Downvote because keys are too high - Don't care that you downvoted

F*ck you, downvote - Keep downvoting..I don't care

I want keys to be 5 ref, upvote - Don't upvote because you want keys to be 5 ref

I want my BP to go up in price, upvote - Don't upvote for that reason!

Back in my day keys were 2.55 - So? Let's focus on now!

TF2 economy is ruined, you're manipulating the prices - Is ignored because he's not searching around to prove the entire market is being manipulated!

Voter1: Downvote because I hate you...Voter2: F*ck You Voter1...Voter3: Stop this madness! - Can we keep these silly replies out of a key thread? Let's try to debate only.

This is not a key selling thread...you can not buy any my keys for metal...even for 5 ref!

^ These are examples on why your votes don't matter..if you want them to matter, counter proof or help me prove this range is accurate

lol

so 4.55 didn't get pass but 4.66 will ?

nah

4.33 - 4.55 = 4.44 which is too low

4.33 - 4.66 = 4.50 which is correct on the low average

4.55 - 4.66 = 4.60

So we'll see

I like how yours was accepted with negative points and below 50% of votes. I mean on something as important as a key you'd think the majority would be required to pass a vote.

Not when people see key suggestions are instantly like "NO THAT'S FFFF- STUPID DOWNVOTE FOR ETERNITY" without even looking at the proof or the original post then proceed to slander bp.tf in the comments.

If people weren't so bias and irrational when it comes to key suggestions, I might be inclined to actually vote on them.

when you have downvotes like "F*ck Off", votes don't matter because they didn't debate..they just cried about it. I just have to convince a mod.

And who exactly put this so-called "mod" in a position to decide such an important matter? I certainly don't think mass opinion should be taken as ultimate fact, but neither should one person I don't even know his intentions. Do these mods have interest behind all this? I certainly think so.

Please, explain why you think we have interests behind this on the forums.

i think there should be some inteligency test before voting if you think majority is most important

'inteligency'. i think i'll stay out of this discussion.

For clarity, the one you're confused about: He buys for 4.44 and sells for 4.55 ref.

Either way, you better prepare yourself for a flood of notifications.

I'm prepared

Someone wants to raise the value of the his backpack. B/O doesn't means the real value. Downvote.

Here we go again..

5 Ref keys are cool :D

inb4 6 ref keys are cool :D

3 scrap range...?!

Nah, sorry.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9820264

buying 4.55-4.6 ref each

has 200+ refined http://www.tf2outpost.com/backpack/5623

Yea, and ignoring people. Clever.

Haxelun (31 minutes ago)

I have one key for you

Alex (30 minutes ago)

Added back.

That's...

1) Because he's buying a ton of keys. You also have to count in that he's getting his keys quickly on top of the key price.

2) I don't think he's ignoring people, but he wants keys fast. He can get them quickly by paying a higher price... it's like this with all items, regardless of the actual value of theitem.

oh ffs, STOP RISING KEY PRICES.

people are allowed to overpay and highball, people highball and lowball in real life, but that doesn't make the value of money rise or drop! It's mainly due to inflation that money loses value, and that's down to rarity. If that's the case, keys should be worth nothing as they are easy to buy, and new ones are being produced every day!

TF2 economy is ruined by manipulators like you.

See my comment in response to The Scout Go above.

You are part of the reason why votes matter so little in key suggestions.

Owns 529 keys holy S**t,but never mind that I downvote not because of proof but because people or a group of people (specifically) have been trying relentlessly just to increase the value of keys trying multiple times that just screams shady and untrustworthy.

i liked it when it was at a stable 3.66 ref :(

Yeah, and then this happened.....

Downvoting don't bother me..you can even invite your friends to downvote to ;)

Now go and find that proof of me being shady and untrustworthy!

I might as well clarify what i said even though it was quite straightfoward, I'll dumb it down. People vote on keys, majority rules that keys should not be increased for whatever reason, next day there a another suggestion for the same thing. I'am no FBI agent but what does that sound like...

Sounds like people really who can't afford keys, really want to get their hands on key badly so they downvote. The ones that upvote key prices beyond the average price I would find shady, but the ones that are keeping the acculturate prices are just doing what is needed.

Ok but humor me, what if the price you post as proof are a result of people trying to make a slight profit for example, A person buys Keys for the current price of 4.33 ref then sells at 4.66 without mentioning they are doing so, you a person just trying to reflect current prices (giving you the benefit of the doubt) interpret that as the norm than try to increase the price then, the same person or people seeing this than make there trade 5 ref does that count as proof? i mean this can't be the 1st you heard of this as a possibility.

Sure, get everyone to hate you and end up like Long.

me? I don't care if they hate me..I won't end up like long because I make sure not to flame back.

I suggest you just ignore hate comments, every -1 is a hater.

First Link [IN CURRENT RANGE]

Second Link [OK]

Third Link [IN CURRENT RANGE]

Fourth Link [OK]

Fifth Link [IN CURRENT RANGE]

Sixth Link [OK]

Seventh Link [IN CURRENT RANGE]

Eight Link [THIS DOESN'T HELP]

Ninth Link [IN CURRENT RANGE]

Tenth Link [THIS DOESN'T HELP]

Eleventh Link [IN CURRENT RANGE]

12th Link [OK]

13th Link [IN CURRENT RANGE]

If you are going to add more proof, Please add more proof of 4.66 Ref.

[sarcasm]Let's make it 5.77 which is 2xOLD key's price[/sarcasm]

Has over 500 keys, suggestion for raising price, are you Long in disguise?

OMG, how did you figure it out...anyone with 500 keys must be long! ;)

I reached my edit time...here's another key seller for 4.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9765157

690+ views, two adds... you can sell an item for pretty much any price if you get enough views

please dont vote if the price will be higher tf2 economi will be worse. if the price go higher refined metal's price is will be lower so ref is main thing of the trade so if it will be lower price the economi will be horrible

Not voting won't stop it..you have to counter my proof.

good luck saving ecomomi

That's not how this works. This site's purpose is not to suggest what people should pay for items, it's for reporting what people ARE paying for items in order to give traders a good reference guide. Doing what you suggested is something many people like to call "Price Manipulation"

for a month u will be fucked because u want it u cant do trades

^ People said this last month, and I can still trade just fine.

Second, I can sell my keys for cash if needed..so all is good in the world of keys..just not metal.

Would be nice if we could tradeban all those idlers who idle 100+ accounts..they're buying all our keys and not leaving many left for the poor.

There's already a currently open suggestion before this for 4.33-4.55 For some reason the exact same suggestion of 4.33-4.55 prior to the current 4.33-4.55 doesn't appear on Alternate/Past suggestions: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5162c18b4bd7b8de4f000012

Then it goes to the current suggestion of 4.33-4.55: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/51656d124bd7b8031f00000b

And now the suggestion we're reading: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5165c03bba2536e43d000004

Just let it go to 4.44 based on counter-evidence that verifies keys are worth 4.33+ Let it hit 4.44 and then create a 4.55 suggestion. Please be realistic and at least wait a day or two.

I couldn't care any less because I get my keys back after every sale, and earn a refined profit. It's just disheartening to see people with less not be able to obtain anything.

Your free to sell your keys for less then backpacks price if you like

Can we agree that the most upvoted counter-evidence suggests that keys are worth the current range: 4.44? Just bump the price of keys to 4.44 based on the most upvoted counter-evidence and end the current war... let the counter-evidence suggest 4.55 and so on. What is the point of even arguing you've already won. I don't sell my keys, what the f#ck am I supposed to do with this metal refined trash of poor people?

You calling ref trash for poor people?...I think you showed the main reason for the constant rise..no one has any real need for metal

No, for anyone that missed it, I'm just quoting someone who was recently banned from key suggestions: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=mrtrgi&s=6

thanks for ruining the market.

http://tf2finance.com/2013_03/

"1. Someone sees price at Backpack.tf at 2.66 ref and sells his Key on Outpost.

2. Outpost sellers buy them all at 2.66 ref

3. Outpost sellers post trades of 2.77 ref and successfully sell all

4. Backpack.tf records it as evidence and raises suggested price to 2.77 ref

5. Outpost sellers tries to sell at 2.88 AND Someone sees price at Backpack.tf at 2.77 ref and sells his Key.

8. Outpost sellers buy all available ones at 2.77 ref

9. Outpost sellers post trades of 2.88 ref and successfully sell all

10. Backpack.tf records it as evidence and raises suggested price to 3 ref

11. Outpost sellers sell at 3.11 ref

12. Rinse and Repeat"

i hate you backpack.tf for dat... why we couldnt stay on spreadsheat?

LOL, now people defend spreadsheet..that's so funny

The people who ran the spreadsheet had a vague sense of how the economy works. having the ability to vote here... doesn't, and we run into idiots who have no clue what buying low selling high is voting because someone sold a key for a scrap over the price. And then we just have moderator corruption. http://backpack.tf/vote/id/515e3c864bd7b82a25000009

So Vincent got payed to accept his suggestion? that's what you mean with corruption, right?

By corruption, I mean that it's corrupt. By corrupt, I mean that it's not right. The thing gets voted down -241, and still gets accepted.

The B.M.O.C. all over again. People downvoted the 12 keys suggestions because they were claiming it was worth a bud or christmas I can't remember. Guess what, they still passed. If most of the players want the price of keys to drop, then they shouldn't buy keys for that high. If the demand is big enough to raise the price at finance, then a price update is needed.

^ Exactly!!!

You have to realize that moderators accept price suggestions if enough reasonable proof is provided that proves that a price change is in order.

Long provided 36 buyer links at or above market value at that time and 19 seller links that were successfully selling above market value at that time, yet people still downvoted him.

Why?

Because they don't want prices to go up. That's reasonable; the rising price of a commonly traded item is never good, but they downvoted solely for that reason and didn't provide counterproof as to why it shouldn't go up. It's starting to make me think that people think they can take advantage of a community voting system by downvoting the price change of an item they don't want to see change.

Unfortunately, facts are facts and you can't change that. What you described would be like if a prosecutor bribed a judge to give a guilty verdict to a suspect that the prosecutor could already prove guilty with the evidence that has been collected.

Would that make any sense? No, it doesn't.

Okay, then why even have a voting system if, in the end, it doesn't matter. Everyone here seems to hate the spreadsheet, but bp.tf is quickly turning into the spreadsheet.

It's there to help mods decide on some suggestions, but it becomes null and invalid when people are extremely bias with their vote, such as when voting on key suggestion.

That's not corruption, that's refusing to cave to community pressure, which if anything, is a vindication of integrity.

Accuracy? Can't have that, the obnoxiously vocal majority won't approve.

You're burying your head in the sand. As evidenced by multiple sources, it's a very real increase in key value, not artificial. You have no grounds for making that claim.

I have grounds to stand on, easily. Most of the sources were people wanting to buy a lot of keys quickly, not caring about price. They're also paying for getting their keys quickly, not just the keys.

I have yet to see any key price suggestors actually address the point koka_love is trying to make... you seem to have dodged it as well... isn't that exactly what's happening? Using outpost as proof is going to continue this cycle until keys are traded for more than $2.50.

You do understand that what you just posted means it's because people buy the keys for above the market price, not because we update the price, right?

Wrong. It's a combination of it. People buy the keys over the bp.tf price, because, well, you can't quickly buy keys for the bp.tf price. It's always been this way. What he's saying, is that if we had kept the key price at 2.66, people would keep buying them for 2.77, but it wouldn't jump up to 2.88.

I understand it's a combination, he just says it like it's entirely the site's fault. It's been discussed a lot in the forums.

Also, it is very possible it would jump to 2.88 as it has happened before. I believe it was when keys were at 4-4.11 that they were actually selling for 4.33 so we had to update the price.

That may be because people realized that people were in a panic, keys at an upward trend for 6 months straight, people see they are not going to crash any time soon, what's the fastest way to get keys? pay 1-2 scrap more. It definitely wasn't like that in the beginning, and this is just recently happening.

What's stopping you?

http://tf2spreadsheet.traderempire.com/

No it's not, if you don't like, don't use it. If you don't like other people using backpack.tf, take it up with them.

I wasn't addressing you either, no idea why you're commenting.

Interesting how this website is ahead of backpack

☣Long218 Can't trade 5ever

4.33-4.44 ref Score: -241

Accepted 4 days ago

Always the same guys, with one million keys in the backpack. wanting to increase the price, and with negative -241 is still accepted, why have a vote in bp.tf if this site just accept every sugestion to raise the price of keys? lel

and The proof is a guy with one billion keys in backpack, buying 1 key for 5 ref

so if I use my alt which have low amount of keys make this suggestion you gonna upvote ?

OFC i will

If keys are actually worth the price you suggest, I'll upvote. I don't upvote to manipulate the market. I upvote to have bp.tf reflect the prices that items are going for... and it seems I'm one of the few that do...

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9986274 < I didn't even set a price, and managed to sell for 4.55 in minutes...I didn't feel like waiting to see if I could get 1 scrap more, just wanted some quick change.

Ack. Well, I guess if I want to post the proof I had out for a key suggestion, the time is now, so..

Me buying a key for 4.66 ref: http://25.media.tumblr.com/b1bbf7b6f71903395ecee7072970bc7b/tumblr_mkwxp25PsB1rri4zyo1_1280.png

keys are going to double in price from what they were

this is now friken ridiculous stop this maddness lol

I hate poor people too.

Upvoted.

I liked when poor people could get keys so they would pay them for my hats worth a key+. Even with an overpay in metal I still refuse to buy keys with metal.

Me, long...how many other people have 130 keys in their BP? Most like to have a mix of buds and keys ;)

Dafuq?!

Nothing has changes since I 'quit' TF2 and TF2 trading (when the key reached 3 ref).

Then it was Baloo something, friends with some dudes on this site, making suggestions and getting them passed with -500 votes, now it's this guy.. King of Farts.

It seems I need another 3-4 month break. Who knows, maybe some people will grow a brain, though I seriously doubt that.

See you next time!

The funny thing is, this KingofHearts guy sold all his buds for 25 keys each, and now he's got over 500 keys, and is boosting up the key prices. It's a good thing you're leaving, this situation has gone to hell and this will never be fixed.

At the first sign of trouble, I turned my bp into cash and took my leave, hoping it wasn't permanent. It may as well be. Of course, no one will miss me, but I'll not be missing anyone either.

Lastly, I'd like to laugh at this a bit: "All prices are compiled based on community feedback."

- the hell they are. You just have to be Angelina Jolie (if you catch my drift). Votes don't matter. It's the mods that approve / decline a suggestion, based on.. I don't know what, but it has to be good. =)

Don't give a crap about Kind of Farts and his keys. Just stopped for a while to see how you guys are doin'. Sadly, you're doin' worse. Ahah!

Cheers mate!

Even when I had like 17 keys, I still boosted it :)

You should've understood that I don't give a gnome`s ass about you or your keys. You missed the point, dumbass.

^ Will say nothing to your insult

Was it an insult? =) Is it an insult that I don't care about you or your backpack? :))

KingOfHeartbreaks

KingOfHoarding

If your going to make fun of my name..please keep it as KOH

Mmmmkay.. King of hhhhFarts. :*

The suggestion is correct and the site is behind. On a side note, I lose more and more respect for the admins here when Long218 is allowed to stick around. It's not appropriate. You guys should keep him out of here. Or put him on a leash.

One day he'll mess up and get banned or change and be allowed to make key suggestions again. Either way, let time handle it

If I behave, I will get my last chance on key suggestion in two weeks.

You might as well just change the suggested range to 4.33 - 10 refined and see how long it takes for someone to push it to 10.11. I'd say a day like it usually does.

Why? Because key sellers watch this site and bump their price a scrap as soon as it's approved. I should know, I used to be one of them and gave up because it was getting just too ridiculous.

You'd think even the stupidest people would have figured that out by now.

Enjoy that 'Community Feedback" based pricing folks!

LOL!

The most up vote, most key prices are going to increase. There is no end. And you have to start to farm in alt accounts for ref and buy your desirable key. Its simple. Until december/2013, keys should be priced at 5.33ref. Untel december/2014, keys should be priced at 7.66ref. Nice job community. Upvote and you are screwing up yourself.

And the more alt accounts, the more we will have to raise these key prices.

yes.. and you have to keep a datacenter in house to run multiple acc..

people of outpost. its a fucking scrap. stop being so fucking greedy and sell at the current price.

When we do, we have no keys left because they buy them all

so let them. dont sell your keys if you dont want to lol

A lot of debate going on....I guess I can throw my 2 cents into the ring despite it might or might not be repetition...but sometimes people need it.

The whole point of this site is for the COMMUNITY to decide whether or not a price should be dropped or not...right? So when a mod completely abandons the COMMUNITY vote, then the entire point of this site is meaningless. Why should we vote if our efforts are just going to get crushed? It doesn't matter if you think it's wrong or not, whether it be a bad or good decision...the community will face it's consequence and will hopefully learn from it. That's how it should go, not what happened here.

On a different note, it is funny that King's backpack is a key horde, now isn't it?

The community speaks by buying the keys for the high prices and then complain later that it rises

Understand that if we continue to up vote keys will keep going up due to greedy bastards selling them high priced

upvote/downvote don't matter.

Anyone who buys keys for high prices is what is causing the rise.

At this point it's being bought by traders who don't care about a scrap and metal farmers while the rest of players are left in the dust unless if they use cash.

Sold 3 keys for 5.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9819427

http://imgur.com/4Q9EzyF

That person really didn't want to wait