Suggestion: Circling Heart Big Elfin Deal at 42.6–63.9 keys

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Only 1 on outpost.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9458166

-offerz: 45 keys, 1 bud 20 keys, smoking lucky shot+ diamond bot killer wrench (~1.9-2.5) bliz swagman+ sf huntsman (~2-2.2) bubbling elfin+ bud (~1.9), planets el jefe (1.7-2.3) planets cannonball (1.8-2.1), bubbling milkman+ peace sing tavish (3.2-3.8) stormy bakerboy (1.8-2.4) orbiting fire merryweather+ 14 keys (~2.2-2.5) ghosts furious fukaamigasa (2.7-3.5) (6 month old price...) scorching stuntman - 1 bud (3.1-3.7) smoking bubble pipe (1.8-2.2) searing plasma phantom (2.9-3.4)

It s 1 of 1 op and you suggest range 30% of high value? Downvote

Firstly sort your proof using enter

Secondly resuggest with about 2.8 - 3.2 considering 90% overpay.

Thanks for reading and hope you ll take my advice

wait, so you're suggesting a range of 2.8-3.2??

regarding proof you have posted you should suggest 2,8-3,2 because 1 bud range is pretty much and no one cares about lowballs worth 2 buds since you have 3+ offers. actually it s 1 of 1 on op. do you get what I mean now? this hat wont go for like 2 buds and you cant set low end just because you like it

you're predicting what it will sell for? yes this particular one will probably not go for 2 buds, but the fact that that is what people are willing to pay for one is the important part. and the average range is 2-3

those are offers from all month

1.people look at backpack. 1,9-2,4 (9 months old) so they throw some 2 bud offer

2.people get prices other way so they throw some 3 bud offer.

in conclusion 2 bud offers are lowballs since there are much higher offers and it s one of one on op and still hasnt been sold. therefore seller isnt willing to sell even for 3+. Actually you just cant set average price for hat by all the offers in month.

if the seller is 1 of 1 and the seller is one of those people who take offers for ever then you could say that about any price. just because they haven't accepted a price or they think they can get more doesn't mean they can. what you're suggesting is that the seller of a 1 of 1 item should be able to dictate the price. But if no one is willing to pay that price then it shouldn't be the price.

but either way we both agree this hat's price needs to be raised, so I don't really understand why you're downvoting... if you think it should be raised even higher than I suggested then you should vote up my price range and then if you want you can go make your own that puts it into a higher range. The only people who should be down voting this are people who think the range is right as of right now and people who think it should be lower.

i m downvoting because your proof doesnt support your price. i like correcting people(mostly green stars)

anyway you did few mistakes that may generaly change point of downvoting

bubbles milkman=1,4 unu+ peace crown(not exp)= 2,5 unusual offer=2,25 with overpay

scorching stuntman has old price, http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10507836 selling for 4 pure therefore 3,6 with overpay-bud=2,6

phantom isnt searing but steaming(under 2)

ghosts fuka - 6 months old 2,8 with overpay, obvious outlier

therefore we dont need to rise price and i ll be like all the other people who are downvoting because they dont think this should rise price. does it makes sense now?

You're downvoting me because you like correcting people... that is not objective reasoning at all... and I priced all of the unusuals based on backpack.tf prices so if you think they are wrong you should make a suggestion and fix them. Also that makes even less sense. First you say my range is too low, now you're saying we don't need to raise it at all. You're being contradictory. Also I get the impression that you are arguing for the sake of arguing...

and again you dont understand

tavish is crown, not experience therefore it isnt like 2 buds but like bud

phantom isnt searing but steaming therfore not 3 buds but 2-

only 2 offers that are above current range are

scorching stuntman-bud - 4 months old price, guy who offered had b/o 4 buds( doesnt have had now) - 3,1 with overpay old price, 2,6 new price

ghosts fuka - 6 months old, 2,8 with overpay old price

since we cant set prices for hats above current range and they are obviously outliers current price is fine

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/5031462 - BO was 2 buds

The ghosts fukaa offer can't be validated, and the offer was a steaming phantom (1.7-2, old price) not a searing phantom. The scorching stuntman (4-4.6, old price) minus a bud was legit, but that trader has since sold the hat. Aside from the scorching stuntman, which can be considered an outlier, and an unverified ghosts fukaa, other offers on this hat don't quite make it to your suggested high price.

Finally someone except me noticed that. I guess you can close it

The phantom was infact steaming a mistake that I made, as pointed out by Back in Black in one of his previous comments. The trade you are siting is from 6 months ago... and he said in the comments that he was looking for 3 pure for it when he rejected an offer of a lvl 1 max + 10 keys. And it isn't really suprising that the trader has since sold his hat as his offer was rejected. And I don't really get what you mean by 'unverified' the offer was made in the comments on the trade, and the trader has the hat in his bp.

the offer was made by I [totes] LOVE ZABI and is in the comments in the form of a link in case that was throwing you off.

Hmm, ok I see it now. Ghost's price is currently 2.6-3.5, but is pretty outdated. After overpay, it's not quite 3 buds worth though. The support for your high end is with the scorching stuntsman.

Also, yes I know the trade I showed is from a really long time ago, but it's more recent than the previous price, and is the only known sale I could find (another trade involved multiple unusuals).

My problem with the suggestion is that this is basing the price on offers that were not accepted/ were retracted. Not enough conclusive evidence for me, maybe another mod will think differently.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10507836

just saying this scorching stuntman had b/o 4 buds therefore 3,6 with overpay and 2,6 without bud and with 4 month old price (4,4-4,6) ~ 3.87 with overpay, 2.87 without bud it's still not 3 buds.

i think you can close it because he has actually really no proof for high end. (was 3 buds at time of suggesting, 2.9 now ?

I don't really get why you are so invested in this. I get that you think this is wrong but its very evident that you really want this closed, and I can't figure out why you're so against it. First you said it was too low, now you're saying its too high. Also I'm not sure why it says 2.9 now, I didn't change it... I don't think I even can change it without closing and resubmitting.

also while that one did infact have a b/o of 4 buds, none of the ones currently on oupost have b/os that low. the ones up now have b/os that range from 4.7-7 buds

I dont have problem with you but this range is pretty bad and I know you didnt change it but buds have probably rised in USD. Anyway this is pointless and I dont think it will be accepted.

At the beginning I thought range should be higher because of your comment. Later I checked the trade properly and noticed that you have done more than enough mistakes. I know you spent your time for finding proof but it ended into really pointless suggestion

I made 1 mistake in the pricing of this, which is the one you pointed out.