Suggestion: The Loose Cannon at 0.05–0.11 ref

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~0.05 ref

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This suggestion was accepted Sun, 25 Aug 13 01:17:32 +0000 by SirJjjon.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RMhSrGZfWg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3StnkJKODc

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Alright first off, don't give me that "But that's worth a weapon! It has to stay at weapon value!" NO. Don't give me that. If you had any experience of selling Loose Cannons, then you know that it sells pretty darn fast at 1 scrap, quicksell for 1 weapon. Scrap.tf and Scrapbank.me almost never has Loose Cannons in stock and if they do, people snag it really fast. Think of this like a craft hat, breaking out of the 1.33 ref discomfort zone.

Trade.tf's graph http://www.trade.tf/price/996/6 has only dipped to 1 weapon once this month 21 days ago. Rest shows that it's been 1 scrap.

Now here's this undeniable proof

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9690663 - Myself, raised the price to 2 scrap and got an add for that. Too bad I had none in stock at the time ;_;

http://puu.sh/47zTM.png

http://puu.sh/47zZQ.png

http://puu.sh/47A0E.png

Reason why there's not that many I sold because scrap.tf never has them ;_;

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13821624 - sold, 1 scrap.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13820883 - sold 1 for 1 scrap

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13820818 - sold 1 scrap, no longer in his bp.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13817333 - sold 1 scrap

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13813511 - sold 1 scrap

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13811596 - sold 1 scrap

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13811545 - sold 1 scrap, no longer in his bp.

http://bazaar.tf/trade/370867 - sold 1 scrap

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13808152 - sold for 2 scrap

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9725128 - sold 1 scrap

http://bazaar.tf/trade/370487 - sold 1 scrap

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13798148 - sold 1 scrap

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13798134 - sold 1 scrap, no longer in his inventory.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13797028 - sold 1 scrap

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13796254 - sold 1 scrap

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13793998 - sold 1 scrap

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13792920 - sold 3 for 1 scrap

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13792693 - sold 1 scrap

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13789377 - sold 1 scrap

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13788204 - sold 1 scrap, no longer in his bp

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13786333 - sold 1 scrap

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13786063 - sold 1 scrap STAR)??ADFVSADFVSfrdas

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13687271 - sold 1 scrap

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13780075 - sold 1 scrap

Some buyers if it matters

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13818372

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13821030

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13814893

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13810173

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9725119

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13800135

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13798990

http://bazaar.tf/trade/369437

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13783337

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13780536

Very easy to sell for 1 scrap, occasionally find buyers for 1 scrap.

Feel free to counter / support my proof.

I can smell the shitstorm coming, better close the windows.

"But that's worth a weapon! It has to stay at weapon value!"

do you want to die

yis ;D

Gooby plz, I cri errytiem

Obviously, the third to last link is not STAR_

Suggestion looks okay for now, any thoughts as to why this increased?

Dem double-donks

super deluxe Ebony mega double bubble donk Bertha BOOTY!

I HAD TO DO IT, I WANTED TO DONK IT x2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13825538

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RMhSrGZfWg

cause yolo

And probably the fix update that ruined fez and attendant for some reason lol

That's amazing XD

Added that to my proofs :]

My guess is that the Loose Cannon is an interesting, hard to find skill-based weapon. It may not be >as< good as the grenade launcher, but the double donking has most people hooked.

http://puu.sh/47Dsb.png - yolo

Is this too much to take in? If so I'm sorry :(

Lol you know what I mean; no need for sarcastic insults.

That wasn't an insult; it was pity. Pity that you're afraid of the outcome of the future and seeing people cash out personally makes me sad. :/

Why? The market is going to shit, and I'd rather not lose the $50 I spent on my TF2 account or the $200 it's worth right now.

I don't like saying this but you're being a drama queen. Just because things don't go quite your way, doesn't mean the market will quote on quote "crash". Pessimist...

You didn't really read, did you. I didn't say I was cashing out because my backpack was crashing, I said I was cashing out because the market is about to crash. Look at what's happening.

But economies always shift based on the market.

Why must this economy be run by 12-year olds who use stupid unwritten rules to justify things should be certain ways?

I'm glad some weapons are rising and Bill's are dropping and such. That's actually a sign of a healthy market. An unhealthy market would have nothing shifting and inflation/deflation taking over the prices of items.

If you wanna cash out, then good. Last thing we need is someone who continues to enforce crappy "rules".

Good proof but personally, I don't want to see any weapons rise above weapons value, idk but others may agree with me, if this is passed, whats next, enforcer going up? the jumpers going up? The proof is good but, if this is passed, tf2 economy is gg

As I stated to I_got_clout, "I have owned my scrapbanking trading post for 5 months now. All my weapons sells fairly well and scrap.tf is always there to re-stock them. HOWEVER the Loose Cannon sells way too darn fast and scrap.tf and scrapbank.me almost never has them in stock."

Additional Proof

Myself

http://puu.sh/48mPW.png

http://puu.sh/48mSK.png

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13841701 - sold 1 scrap, no longer in his bp

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13839487 - sold 1 scrap

http://bazaar.tf/trade/373094 - sold 1 scrap, no longer in his bp

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13838582 - rejected offer of 1 scrap

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13838456 - sold 1 scrap, multiple in stock

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13837666 - sold 1 scrap

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13835564 - sold 1 scrap, item history

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13835249 - sold 1 scrap

http://bazaar.tf/trade/372604 - Claims to sold 13 Loose Cannons for 1 rec Also Y U NO IN OUTPOST

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13830768 - sold 1 scrap

Some Buyers

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13839179

http://bazaar.tf/trade/373355

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9728199

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13831920

Y u no accept this already mods ;_;

Sold quite a few for a rec each. It got really boring getting adds every 10 minutes at a scrap each.

http://i.imgur.com/V91Eja2.png

http://i.imgur.com/aOMBjHa.png

http://i.imgur.com/hZGejSI.png

http://i.imgur.com/Ukgpj4h.png

http://i.imgur.com/hGUlSKA.png

http://i.imgur.com/p2xZv5U.png

http://i.imgur.com/5IiCbKy.png

I almost feel like this could have a flat scrap price instead of a range.

Providing Counter-proof is impossible.

I mean, there are tons of weapon sellers for a scrap, but almost no sellers for a weapon (not because they won't be able to sell, because it's not profitable for them, just weapon swap service). Since it's a regular drop weapon, there are no buyers for this weapon either.

Craft hats go down, Keys go up, Buds go down, Weapons go up....

I'm impressed by your proof...but...

GET TO THE BUNKER!!!!

If you need me I'll be getting my own when Dah Double-Donker becomes a Key

Also, a tad question

What do you think would happen if a S. Loose Cannon was released?

It would start at 5 ref then crash to .66 refined.

if this becomes worth a key it will be a better find than a team captain :D

team captain is shit though.

But it's an awesome drop :D

worse then crate 56 :<

Team Captains are penis envy, though.

The only people who wear them just want to be looked at in awe. It's worse than Gold camo in Call of Duty.

Team Captain doesn't look THAT bad. Though Caribbean Conquerer does look nice. :3

only thing it needs to do is fit in your ears and play music

The music will be so good, your ears will be exploding.

Get it, because it shoots bombs, eh? I give up on life...

i stand corrected by the hat dropping thing

and now the final stable part of tf2's economy has crumbled

I don't know aboot this, man... :/

I think ANY weapon will usually be bought and sold for a scrap, just because no one asks less than a scrap for any weapon, and buyers (aside from cheapass nubs) are going to offer a scrap for any weapon they specifically want.

Do not question KoDo

I have owned my scrapbanking trading post for 5 months now. All my weapons sells fairly well and scrap.tf is always there to re-stock them. HOWEVER the Loose Cannon sells way too darn fast and scrap.tf and scrapbank.me almost never has them in stock.

~~Downvote because you own one.~~ Upvote is gud

KoDo, you do realise what you may happen if this goes through. I'm scared...

If you're referring to the rescue ranger and vaccinator, sadly that won't happen because they don't have the same demand. :<

Perhaps... but just look at all the other crazy things occurring recently, I say keep an open mind, anything could happen. It is the TF2 economy after all.

Maybe...Actually the Enforcer's demand is getting higher, out of stock in my part and scrap.tf and scrapbank.me has none...

Actually nvn, it was just a slight spike, nothing to worry about. Enforcer probably won't go up.

enforcer is for n00bz. real men use the stock revolver ;D

Yeahhhh Hi-Five :D (I own a strange version :P)

strange revolver buddies ;D

Real men use the Ambassador and get headshots while in 3rd Person view

#Baddass

Actually now that I think about it, weapons goes up, less metal will be crafted, idling is cut down, meaning the rise of refined metal at one point? :O (Just gloating the thought)

hhahahaha, im gonna have to downvote on this one , sorry ;D

so sad :'(

Please show counter-proof then Mr. imFree.

Upchuck, the Team Fortress 2 economy makes no fucking sense.

All the weapons are sold for a scrap around trade servers, if we count that up, all weapons would be worth that.

"But that's worth a weapon! It has to stay at weapon value!"

Please, do show counter-proof then clout.

Oh don't mind him. He's all over suggestion lately, pretending to know what he's talking about. Great proof. I second what KoD said about loose cannons going fast. When its that popular of an item, then yes, it deserves to be bumped up. No one said anything about bumping up the value on all weapons, clout.

I simply threw my two cents about it, there's no need to hate.

I try to be as objective as I can, as you could notice in the BMOC suggestion, I wasn't against the raise in price, I simply was against the proof used in that Price Suggestion

What's wrong with my proofs; your two cents don't make sense :S

Your proof is alright, my two cents make sense because as you sell those Loose Cannons for a scrap each, the other people also sell random weapons for that scrap.

People always sell for higuer than backpack.tf suggests.

But yeah, I've never seen stock of this on scrap.tf, to be honest I've never been able to use this weapon after my comeback.

The difference between Loose Cannons and other weapons is that scrap.tf (usually) have some in stock and doesn't quite have the same demand as Loose Cannons.

As I stated to Frisky the Nonesuch, "I have owned my scrapbanking trading post for 5 months now. All my weapons sells fairly well and scrap.tf is always there to re-stock them. HOWEVER the Loose Cannon sells way too darn fast and scrap.tf and scrapbank.me almost never has them in stock. :<"

liked both of your comments and yes loose cannons sell faster for a scrap then * most others * and clout just no counter proof i want my backpack to go up by 0.55$

I guess this makes sense because certain people who play Demoman can't hit their Grenade Launcher shots and need a larger hitbox to compensate bad aim, therefore increasing demand.

(Upvoted)

There appears to be a slight discrepancy with the demo recording of the one video. According to the TF2 Wiki, a critical hit from the Caber deals 300 damage, which is accurate, melee crits have consistent damage outputs. Noting the fact the Heavy killed was being buffed by a Medigun or Kritz (check the Med's pack) , he would have had 450 health as he was being healed even before the Demoman made his jump, it doesn't take long to buff a Heavy at full HP. After taking the crit (300), he would have had 150 health. Thinking of other reasons why he would've died instantly, I looked into Screen bash damage as well. Turns out it is only 85, and he had no heads, implying no added bonus to the bash damage. Bash damage is somewhat random according to the wiki, but 150 seems way too much if the base is only 85, and it has no crit damage listed. Also, no Sniper shots were heard from the spawns, so it appears headshot damage does not need to be factored in. Based on the numbers, the Heavy would have survived with under 1/5th of his health and maybe killed the Demoman.

...wut. ._.

I guess that's an obvious reaction to a large comment but:

TL:DR - His kill had some flair to it, but based on stats it doesn't seem realistic.

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RMhSrGZfWg this video btw)

I read the whole thing, just don't know how in any way was it related to my comment or this suggestion, probably should've replied to Offline's comment.

You mentioned the videos, so I thought I'd give my opinion on one of them. If you want to link this to Offline go right ahead.

Regarding the price of the Loose Cannon: any craft weapon can sell for a Scrap, but it's considered an outlier, so craft weapons do not have a price range listed since they are often considered equal to any other one.

According to the wiki and my personal experience, a crit caber does 405 damage, and with the heavy predamaged, the kill worked out.

Im also friends with the guy on steam, so I could ask him if necessary.

Maybe the medic was buffing the guy next to him first (I guess an engie cause the dispenser was there)

2+2= fish= profit= incress muh bp = upvote

1 weapon

His bp will go in value by ONE WEAPON.

*2.5 crates

Gol Dang it KoDoRin, You changed the world...

P.S. Price Manipulation, Upbeat!

omfg it's only a weapon it needs to stay at .05 refined!!!!!!!11111111!!!!!111!1!11

~jk, good proof, the boat will float here.

OMG Guys, he's trying to raise his bp!!!!

-_- seriously though, this is nice proof and all, but didn't all weps at one point became a wanted fad? I remember when nubs would pay a scrap for any wep. (And they still do).

Upvote.

I need them 3 crate increase :3

Well, to be fair, there does seem to be some sort of internal weapon rarity when it comes to item drops, the old class update weapons (achievement weapons) drop the most with new update weapons dropping the least. I think most weps should get this range though, since thats what they go for anyways

Good Proof Upvoted!

I remember a mod going tho saying all weps are worth a wep cause it takes 2 weps to make a scrap (Which make's no sense)

Actually to make a loose cannon, you need 1 rec and 3 loch-n-loads ^^

But that's true with all the crafting weps, you can use material to craft it (which is think is stupid), or you can just trade for it for a lot less metal.

I definitely agree with this. Every time I have loose cannons to sell, they all sell within minutes or within the hour at the latest for a scrap each.

Upvote.

Finally someone I can to relate to in the comments that had experience selling loose cannons.

Upthroat ~ sweet proof.

Upvoted for sure, its a very liked weapon and the proof is very firm

Upvoted. I bet my gibus that in 1 year this thing will be worth at least a bud.

I'll take your word on this.

You provide wrap.

Quite true indeed actually, someone was offering to buy one for a scrap on a random pub. insta mini-profit..!

KoDoRiN, I hope you know that if this gets passed it's the first time a normal wep raised in price and it'll let everyone know that the "But that's worth a weapon! It has to stay at weapon value!" rule it bendable, if not breakable.

History in the making people

Yup I noticed. :O

But that's worth a weapon! It has to stay at weapon value!

Santa Heavy already beat you, sorry

I don't know what's going on but I like commenting :)

My hero ! http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5197a02e4bd7b8282200000b

At least you tried.

I had no idea what i was doing and it showed i got bawled out good

I class this weapon with the rescue ranger and vaccinator, you never see em in the banks too you can hit those up next if you can take the heat : \

good news for new traders i guess

most unique weapons are priced at 0.05 ref but their all sold at 1 scrap or a 1 for 1 deal with another weapon

I agree totally, I never see anyone selling a loose cannon for <1 scrap

~~WTF KODORIN! Y U RAISE YOUR BP VALUE?????~~

Good proof! Upvoted!

~~God Damnit why does KoDoRiN win everytime >:C~~

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10219438 < someone offered 1.5 for the Loose Canon

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13769200 < selling the canon for a rec, claimed to sold some

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13345322 < got many adds for 2 scraps

You're right, this weapon needs an upvote

Good thing I got mine before the mass inflation, inb4 caber spike to craft cannons.

Upboat.

Sold quite a few for a rec each. It got really boring getting adds every 10 minutes at a scrap each.

http://i.imgur.com/V91Eja2.png

http://i.imgur.com/aOMBjHa.png

http://i.imgur.com/hZGejSI.png

http://i.imgur.com/Ukgpj4h.png

http://i.imgur.com/hGUlSKA.png

http://i.imgur.com/p2xZv5U.png

http://i.imgur.com/5IiCbKy.png

Holy balls. O_O My hero :D

You should reply to the top comment so everyone can see :D

You can sell or buy any weapon at 1 weapon to 1 scrap, every unique weapon should have this range imo

As I stated to tansy, "I have owned my scrapbanking trading post for 5 months now. All my weapons sells fairly well and scrap.tf is always there to re-stock them. HOWEVER the Loose Cannon sells way too darn fast and scrap.tf and scrapbank.me almost never has them in stock."

To be fair if all tf2 crafting logic was actually applied all craft hats would be worth 3 ref because it takes 3 ref to craft a hat, so i gib yu upboat

well, that would not be true.

if you could only get hats by spending 3 ref, some hats would be worth less (not wanted hats that get crafted) and some hat would be worth more (hats that are wanted) so basicly about the same we have now.

also there is the drop system.

In what way do those videos matter?

Well isn't that the whole reason why the Schadenfreude/Meet the Medic went up? Because of some video?

They went up because someone created a mod for the taunts, causing an increase in demand, the videos you posted don't change anything with the weapon itself.

It's just funny to see :P At least he still provides proof

Hipster mode:

I was using the loose cannon before it was even cool.

br0 I got mine before the crafting recipe came out.

Upboat. I changed dem craft hats.

Wish I still had a link to the guy who sold multiple for 2 scrap each.

No proof sadly, upgoat anyway.

WOAH 2 DAYS, so is this like the new "key" suggestion?

There's no counterproof...

I have a theory on why they didn't accept this by now. Clearly it's not about proof and literally no counter proof was given over these last 130 comments. I think it's because they're afraid that if they accept this, other people will start the same thing. Aka repwhore. But they can't decline this either, proof is very solid and there is no rule about weapons that can't go up. But again, just a theory.

TL;DR, gg economy if they accept this.

Doesn't every normal weapon sell for a scrap anyway? And you know what I mean by normal, don't say something like "But the unarmed combat is .66!"

Scrap-banking doesn't count either, that's just somebody dumping unwanted weapons they don't want to bother trying to sell, or have failed to sell, on somebody else.

Yes a weapon should be worth a weapon, but think about it. When you trade with somebody for a specific weapon, you are not actually paying for the weapon itself. What you are paying for the convenience of getting that weapon right then and there. Your other options are having to craft it (much more expensive) or just waiting for it to drop (time consuming and random chance). Only overpaying by 1 weapon isn't bad to get something immediately.

But literally everyone is willing to pay an extra weapon for this. Also what are you trying to prove.

I don't get it

You're not cool Dad

Actually I tried using the loose canon once. I could see the pros and cons but it's definitely not overpowered. As for demand, I have no clue other than the videos I posted.

Upvote, took me a while to buy mine for a scrap and everyones selling for 2.

I dont understand what the fuss is about. All weapons are worth 1 scrap. Scrap Bankers just give a scrap for 2 weapons the seller cant craft or has no use for / cant sell for 1 scrap. If you sold a weapon for another weapon nobody would profit and it would just be a waste of time. People are acting like weapons going up to a scrap will " Change the entire market" when in reality people already view weapons at 1 scrap so a Tf2 pricing website wont effect the market at all.

As I stated to voyager 2406, "I have owned my scrapbanking trading post for 5 months now. All my weapons sells fairly well and scrap.tf is always there to re-stock them. HOWEVER the Loose Cannon sells way too darn fast and scrap.tf and scrapbank.me almost never has them in stock."

Ok? so you want these loose cannons to be worth more than 1 scrap?

sold for .33 eariler

http://imgur.com/hzZsiyL