Suggestion: Earbuds at 19–19.5 keys

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~8.23 keys

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This suggestion was accepted Tue, 22 Apr 14 14:01:05 +0000 by neverclever.

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I need help deciding which battle theme is better: Final Fantasy II's theme or IV's theme? Hm...

Oh right! The suggestion. Anyways, let's get on it.

Before I get to that though, I need to say something! Please keep the comments civilized and not filled with spam/hate/claims of manipulation/etc. Thank you.

Classifieds:

http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/id/52c8dc054cd7b8bb2f8b4567 - So many under 20 keys it's ridiculous

19 key sellers:

http://bazaar.tf/trade/773152 - Selling for 19 keys.

http://bazaar.tf/trade/772410 - Selling for 19 keys.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19306990 - Selling for 19 keys. (Tekken run)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19288011 - Selling for 19 keys (if you have pure, you should take it :P).

19 keys + 1 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19286350 - Selling for 19 keys + 1 ref.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19242151 - Selling for 19 keys + 1 ref.

19 keys + 2 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16074622 - Selling for 19 keys + 2 ref.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19231585 - Selling for 19 keys + 2 ref.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18925471 - Selling for 19 keys + 2 ref.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19304377 - Selling for 19 keys + 2 ref.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19263293 - Selling for 19 keys + 2 ref. Open for 2 days, and getting multiple adds that are more then likely for items.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13168732 - Selling for 19 keys + 2 ref. Has sold some it seems.

19 keys + 3 ref:

http://bazaar.tf/trade/761640 - Selling for 19 keys + 3 ref.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18904701 - Selling for 19 keys + 3 ref.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19264017 - Selling for 19 keys + 3 ref.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19241307 - Selling for 19 keys + 3 ref.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19297166 - Selling for 19 keys + 3 ref.

19 keys + 4 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19207979 - Looking for 19 keys + 4 ref. Open for 4 days.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19224171 - Selling for 19 keys + 4 ref.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18416608 - Selling for 19 keys + 4 ref.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15166433 - Selling for 19 keys + 4 ref (39 keys for 2). Hasn't got a recent offer.

19 keys + 5 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19010106 - Selling for 19 keys + 5 ref.

19 keys + 6 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19309942 - Selling for 19 keys + 6 ref.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19204931 - Selling for 19 keys + 6 ref. 4 days old.

Officially THAT area (and apparently THAT guy):

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19309769 - Selling for 19 keys + "items"

Selling at 20 keys:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19232746 - Selling for 20 keys. Was offered 19 keys, but was rejected.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19169403 - Selling for 20 keys. Hasn't sold yet after 6 days.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18485577 - Selling for 20 keys. Has apparently sold 35, but offers have shown no recent adds.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19214710 - Selling for 20 keys. Apparently sold one recently.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19292581 - Selling for 20 keys. 17 hrs unsold. Too young to consider.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19279159 - Selling for 20 keys. Open for 1 day. Unsold.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18219986 - Selling for 20 keys. Sold 2, but that was a month ago.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19172050 - Selling for 20 keys. Bumped every 30 minutes and been up for 4 days. No adds.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19211842 - Selling for 20 keys. Bumped every 30 minutes and been up for 4 days. No adds.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19265421 - Selling for 20 keys (or 21 Dota 2 keys). 1 day old and no adds.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19206400 - Selling for 20 keys. Apparently got an offer which was lower than 20 keys/wasn't in items. 4 days old and has not sold.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19196036 - Selling for 20 keys. 5 days old and no sale yet.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19209549 - Selling for 20 keys. 2 days old at not sold yet.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19023728 - Selling for 20 keys. Unsold for 1 week.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19031511 - Selling for 20 keys. Unsold for 1 week.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17539890 - Selling for 20 keys. Can't tell if a troll trade or not.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19241185 - Selling for 20 keys. Apparently got an add, but the history is wonky and it doesn't look like the buyer has it in his bp.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19306933 - Selling 1:20, 2:39, 3:58, etc. Too young to consider.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18574397 - Selling for 20 keys. Had one add 2 weeks ago, but none ever since. Open for 1 month.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19198681 - Selling for 20 keys. Open for 5 days.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19001275 - Selling for 20 keys. Apparently has some recent adds.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18612468 - Selling for 20 keys.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19300278 - Selling for 20 keys.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19304025 - Selling for 20 keys. Too young to consider.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19241354 - Selling for 20 keys. Unsold for 3 days.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9685141 - Selling for 20 keys. Unknown amount sold.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19266490 - Selling for 20 keys. 1 day old.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19262564 - Selling for 20 keys. Unsold for 2 days.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18949907 - Selling for 20 keys. Unknown amount sold.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19222565 - Selling for 20 keys. Unsold for 4 days.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18835069 - Selling for 20 keys. Had 1 recent add, but the adder hid his offer so they more then likely found one cheaper.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18803485 - Selling for 20 keys. 3 weeks unsold.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18956005 - Selling for 20 keys. Has no recent adds. Been up for 2 weeks.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18628834 - Selling for 20 keys. Last recent add was 3 weeks ago.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19172050 - Selling for 20 keys. 6 days old, and no adds.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19222615 - Selling for 20 keys. 4 days unsold.

And you thought I was done...

http://bazaar.tf/trade/765466 - Selling for 20 keys. Unsold for 5 days.

http://bazaar.tf/trade/754324 - Selling for 20 keys. Unsold for 1 week.

http://bazaar.tf/trade/711594 - Selling for 20 keys. Unsold for 1 month.

http://bazaar.tf/trade/761740 - Selling for 20 keys. Unsold for a week (Hi Grimdercell).

http://bazaar.tf/trade/764409 - Selling for 20 keys. Unsold for 1 week.

http://bazaar.tf/trade/770017 - Selling for 20 keys. Unsold for 2 days.

http://bazaar.tf/trade/772089 - Selling for 20 keys. Barely 1 day old.

http://bazaar.tf/trade/773255 - Selling for 20 keys. Too young to consider.

http://bazaar.tf/trade/769759 - Selling for 20 keys. Unsold for 2 days.

http://bazaar.tf/trade/770621 - Selling for 20 keys. Unsold for 1 day.

Conclusion: Man, I'm tired. It's 2:22 AM PST when making this. Anyways, market shows that 20 keys happen VERY rarely and that it should no longer be in the range, while 19 keys is just a flat out quicksell. I'll be setting the range to 19-19.5 keys. If you have any counterproof or would like to contribute to the suggestion, post it in the comments below. If I feel the need ot add more proof is necessary, I will look around. Thanks for your consideration.

Quicksell price should not be in the range(19 keys flat), therefore I think 19.5 keys flat would be a better range. DOWNVOTE.

Current range is fine yet it includes 19 keys? So what you're basically saying is that the current range is fine, with a low-end of 19 keys, but my range with a low end of 19 keys is not fine?

I'm saying 19 keys is a quick sell and should not be included in the range.

EDIT: SORRY i thought the current range was 19.5 - 20.0. NVM, i think 19.5 flat would be better than 19 as low range as it's a quicksell.

I just kept 19 keys in the range because while it is a quicksell, it appears often and also helps the sellers under 19.5 keys, as they don't sell as quick as 19 keys do.

You have 4 sellers at 19 keys; I wouldnt consider that "often", I would consider that rare. Quicksell prices shouldnt be considered in the range.

Your opinions mean absolutely nothing on this site. Your reason for downvoting is full of flaws, 19 keys is in the range from the last price suggestion. And they have already tried making the range 19.5 flat but 19 keys was to be included.

I'm not basing my posts on "opinion". You don't see quicksell prices included in other prices, why include it for this? 19.5 flat makes more sense as 19 is a quicksell, and you can still find buyers at 20 keys.

Then do yourself a favor and counter-proof his proof if you disagree with it. Also nice work editing your post from "Besides, I think the current range is fine DOWNVOTE!!"

I will be gathering proof today; 19 keys IS a quick sell. No need to be a douche bag.

first random link click: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19222565 sold at 20 :p (at least the one shown is )

Im probably not one to know much about these things.

If 19 keys flat is a quicksell, why is it included in the range?

Also, a good number of your unsolds are only a day or two old.

Downvote

Definitely Final fantasy IV theme.

I'm serious.

I'd have to go with IV. Both themes are awesome though.

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Excellent proof. 20 keys never sells, hasn't been able to sell for months now.

There are far more sellers at 19.5 keys and below than there are 20 key sellers.

Upvote. Proof is sufficient, range is supported, and counter-proof against the high-end is provided.

Structure the links better - by sorting them with prices.

Neutral - I'd say buyers is a key factor for keys/buds and you got none.

Yeah, I was planning on adding those tomorrow.

Any 19 key quicksells? Otherwise this is really good proof.

just close my trade

i sold 5 bud in less than 40 minutes

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19313626#latest

well seem 19 keys is very quick sell

Sold 2 for 19 keys. Both took me quite some time. Definitely not a quicksell. Upvote.

Can you post the proof, otherwise what you say doesnt mean anything.

Then why don't you prove that 19 keys is a quicksale? Your say doesn't mean anything either. I don't see any links from you, and all you do is raging about how 19 keys is a quicksale.

Or you're raging because you own one? http://backpack.tf/item/92959755

Edit: I don't see why I should post links either when I'm merely agreeing with the suggestion. You on the other hand, disagree with it. Yet you don't have any proof.

I don't plan on selling it so it is irrelevant. What i do care about is keeping the economy accurate.

I don't plan on selling it so it is irrelevant.

Sure, that's what they all say and ended up selling it later.

"What i do care about is keeping the economy accurate"

I don't see how you can keep the economy accurate with zero links showing that 19 is a QS. Whereas OP has provided links showing that people do sell them at 19.

I'm about to go to bed, but if you read(????) I said I would be posting proof tomorrow when I have my wits about me. Stop trolling and post those links. I think our little discussion is over; we've made our points.

So? Posting a few links before going to bed wouldn't take you a few minutes. Or is it because you couldn't find any? You are the one trolling here, for someone "who cares about the economy" and can't take a few minutes of his bedtime to post some links.

Then you could have said; "I agree, upvote!". Let's be honest, if you had actually sold them it wouldnt be that big of a deal to post 2 links.

lol? So me saying something actually have a major impact? Let's be honest either, my backpack is not private, any tom, dick or harry can access it to see 19 keys sitting in my backpack under "new items". Why would I lie about selling them? You on the other hand, have zero links to show despite disagreeing with the suggestion. I wonder who's the one having issues here.

Refer to my posts above... READ and COMPREHEND. Stop posting useless walls of text. There is no issue; you said you had sold a few. So I said proof? I'm not claiming to have sold anything, and as Ive stated above I will be posting proof later today.

Keep the posts relevant please.

"You're twisting this into some personal drama. I called you out; you didnt like that. Deal with it."

Called me out? lol, I'm not the one having issues with this suggestion here.

I'm not the one posting useless walls of text either, I believe everyone is still waiting for your proof that 19 keys is a quicksale. If you have so much time replying to my posts, I don't see why you can't take the time to provide the proof now.

You're just trying to get the last word. This is just a petty argument. Proof will be posted by myself later today for the 3rd or 4th time. How about posting those two trades?

Keep the posts relevant please.

Just leave this suggestion if you have nothing else better to say, or use this time to gather proof, which you have none.

Look who was correct about buds. :) I didnt even need to post my proof, others did it for me. It's pretty obvious 19 keys is a quick sell. It almost looks like buds need a bump up in price.

Why do you think I keep repeating the same thing? Here's why:

1. You ignored this post Keep the posts relevant please. twice.

2. You kept insisting that I post my link, which is not even relevant at this point as I'm merely agreeing with the suggestion. Whereas you have no links to proof that 19 keys is a quicksale despite disagreeing with the suggestion.

3. You kept saying that you will post them later, but have plenty of time to post irrelevant stuffs here instead of taking the time to find the links to support your claim.

Please leave, if you're going to comment something irrelevant again.

To cleverpun: I've made my point, I'm not going to post further.

I see plenty of buyers at 19 keys. I sold my buds at 19 keys within seconds

I don't know, I have sold a fair few for 20 keys each in the past week:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19166165

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19275460 - Sold 3 within the same day of putting it up

All of those sold rather quickly, and I just wanted to post it here for people to consider :)

Fair enough. Like I mentioned in my main comment, don't be afraid to counter my proof, people. It's what I'm here for.

I also looked at a few of the unsolds for 20 keys. Please bear in mind that I am still fairly new to price suggestions, so correct me if any of my observations are wrong :)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19172050 - Item histories indicate various sales. 6 of the buds listed in the trades have new owners, so they presumably sold, as the trader is only accepting pure and no unusuals.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19292581 - New owner in the history, and seeing how there are 20+ keys in the backpack but no Australium Sticky Launcher, it presumably sold for pure.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19206400 - multiple buds for sale here. The one that is put up for trade shows a new owner. The new owner is not the person who offered less than 20 keys either, and it's not in the backpack anymore (Level 2 listed, level 4 in the backpack).

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19196036 - Item history indicates a sale. There are no level 51 Earbuds in the backpack either - furthermore, this user has multiple buds, so I assume it's a continous sale.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19262564 - Item history shows a new owner. Possibly selling multiple? The ones with this level seem to be gone from the inventory, too.

Also, just wondering - are duped ones legitimate to be used as proof in suggestions for buds?

Duped buds don't matter anymore. They are all the same. Duped or not.

Nope that matters a lot, buyers will check if your bud is duped. Have you ever been trying to sell a bud these days?

Almost all buds are duped, you would be lucky to get a clean one. The buyers you are getting might just be stuck in that time where duped buds mattered and it seems like you are one of the those few buyers(or could have not been trading lately) out there who still cares about this thing being duped or not. Ever realized how come there are thousands of buds now than before? It multiplied 2fast2quick. You can get bud from almost anyone now.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18836913

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17103349

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19272517 --> 20 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19326583

Its just few tops from the first page of Outpost. Lots of buyers eagerly to buy those buds. Yeah, dupes really doesn't matter sir/ma'am.

Also, on topic...I posted a successful 20 key seller who seems like sold 2 of them. Could be outliner, dunno.

Why can't I reply to your comment down there? D:

After the price has been set to 19-20

Yes people don't care, only when the sale is at the lower half(19-19.5). If you're the buyer, you expected it to be duped for 19-19.5, you will be surprised if it is not.

But when the sale is at the upper half(19.5-20), the buyer cares. Not much but a few, since the price has been set to 19-20, I've resell a few duped, for the upper half price. Every buyer I met, do care about if it is duped, they said like "Level # one pls, this is duped." They do pay 20 when they checked the bud is clean.

Of coz no one asks while I go for 19-19.5, that's the price range when you guy says they don't care.

Can't tell why people here all seems don't care about the dupe? Note that what I'm talking about all the way is bud-keys sales, not other promos or unusuals involved.

The last link, 23k XD

Emmm.... what are you trying to tell from the links??

2fast2quick

Just sold the last pair of Earbuds on this trade for 20 keys pure: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19275460

Buds always seem to stick with a 1 key range, half a keys have to be super steady before it gets approved

My thing is, people say they still sell at 20, some say 19 is a quicksell/average sale and there many successful sellers in between 19-20 keys. Overall I don't think the price should be touched yet, which is probably why it hasn't been updated in 3 months. Your proof, is mostly showing trades that are still open including the 19 key sellers. So I don't see many solds and just a percentage of the buds for sale. To make this more solid i would want sales between 19-19.5 and more proof that anything above 19.5 is too hard to sell. Also unsolds for 1-3 days for big ticket items like buds isn't an issue(unsold proof), over a week i would say they aren't selling at that price though. (if they have been bumped correctly). Neutral for now until more proof or counterproof is added.

Well yes they need this drop.

Once every 5 days or so I get an add to sell for 18 (yes, 18) and 19 still sells pretty quick. 19.5 is the main selling point so upboat.

If 19.5 is the price the item is mostly sold at, shouldn't that be the price or atleast the average?

Insane ... DOWNVOTE

Ture, couldn't sell any bud in the last week:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18887864

Damn, I'll lost 0,75 keys :-c

Damn, I wanted to do this for my 100th suggestion...

that's more than the suggested range you realize

Hey, I don't know if I'm stepping out of line here, but I just needed to chime in since you linked my Outpost.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19206400

I'm running a scheme that buys buds @ 19 and resells at 20 (or item equivalents in keys). So far, I've gotten four sales & purchased 1 for 19 keys & 1 refined (the other purchase I made for buds was with a Big Kill that I got at 12 keys -- 1 less than backpack.tf prices -- and 7 keys, but since the Big Kill was a QS, I'm not going to include it nor should it even be included in the discussion.)

Proof: http://imgur.com/IrW1En8,U5CEgJq,aiHnL7G,QeuPGk2,6iHBSan

I don't usually like stating how many items I've bought and sold in a trade because I don't want to actually look like a scheme to any potential customers, but maybe I should in the future if I run into complications like this.

If being able to sell buds @ 20 keys & re-buy @ 19 keys wasn't successful, I wouldn't keep the trade up.

At the very least, I want any potential scorers to not be presumptuous about the success of listed trades and be as unbiased as possible. And, at the very least, please list my trade as successful.

Let me know if there's any more counter-evidence I need to provide. Thank you.

Edit: Man, you would not believe the quickbuyers at below 19 keys. There's just so many. Anyways:

Sellers/Buyers at ~19 keys:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19304074 - Open for 17 hours. Got a trade offer sent a hour ago.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18578209 - Open for 1 month. Has gotten some recent adds in the last day.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18995547 - Buying for 18. Got offered Earbuds for 19 keys.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18706634 - Buying for 18 keys + 4 ref. Apparently too many people were adding him at 19 keys.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16676117 - Buying for 18 keys + 4 ref. Selling for 19 keys. Has no Buds, but plenty of keys.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19316380 - Buying for 19 keys. Got an add as soon as the trade opened.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19001281 - Buying for 19 keys. Has multiple Buds in backpack but barely any keys.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18679674 - Buying for 19 keys. Has 2 recent adds.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10802063 - Buying Buds for lowest amount possible. Someone offered 19 keys for theirs 2 days ago.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19217941 - Buying for 19 keys. Got a lot of adds within a day.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17427568 - Buying at 19 keys and selling for 19 keys + 1 ref. Got some adds 5 days ago.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19198216 - Bot's buying Earbuds for 19 keys. It can't buy any more at the moment because the stock is full.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19265445 - Offered 19 keys for their Buds, but was considered "not a quicksell".

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17212644 - Buying for 19 keys. Has bought 23 in the past month.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19102123 - Selling for 19 keys + 1 ref. Has gotten multiple adds.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18463645 - Had some adds a week ago at 19 keys.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19322921 - Buying for 19 keys. Too young to consider.

I experimentaly put trade where I sell earbuds for 20 keys. I got a buyer who bought 1 bud off me and he's claiming to buy more. The only thing I need to say - he paid in Dota2 keys. So I am not sure if it's valid counter-proof. But from what I experienced these keys can easily be exchanged. http://i.imgur.com/JTwEtVR.png ; http://i.imgur.com/rCaswRr.png

meh. technically dota keys are worth slightly less but they can be exchanged without too much trouble for tf2 keys

They go easily 1:1, all You need is patience. Trust me, I trade in Dota.

In terms of dollar value on both steam market and paypal though dota keys are almost always a bit cheaper.

I recently had to offload 80+ DOTA keys at less than 1:1 because no one wanted them. The DOTA2 crate update completely ruined the demand for them.

Found another seller @ 19 keys, albeit it is not entirely in pure.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19323517

Although if you consider bill's hats currency, then yes, it's entirely in pure.

his bud is duped and unwanted, and his trade is closed

I posted that over a day ago. The trade was also posted over a day ago and was only bumped once. The bud has long been sold.

So much for unwanted.

whoops looking at the wrong bud, my bad :P

Got ~ 22 steam adds and a lot of steam offers in 1 day: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19217941#latest

trade isn't working for me for some reason so they all have to wait lol

I just sold a bud for 20 keys (I asked for 19 keys 2.66, somebody added me and offered 20 keys), so I'm going to stay neutral for now.

http://i.imgur.com/HL7jkgY.png

Sold mine for 1 bud and 4 ref with ease. Downvote

wait what? you sold you bud for another bud +4ref? e.o

[super late fix: *your* bud]

Also managed to sell one for 20keys - http://i.imgur.com/Mx9v27p.png (had it up for 20 then reduced to 19.5 cuz I had a few more buds - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19274729 ) so it sold rather quick at 20 :P

I waited ~24 hours for more proof to support this range to be added. All I see is 19 key buyers from outpost buying to RESELL at 20 keys or something around 19.5. If people get desperate enough to open trades to buy an item I take it as an indicator that the price might need a bump up (not yet cause 0.3 and shit is ugly). All the counterproof added by a few people here and there proves it sells for 20 keys, possibly not as frequently as 19.something and definitely not as fast as 19 keys, but it still sells. Well i'm moving from neutral to downboat, with a thumbs up for a good attempt. I just see too much counterproof and still not enough evidence to show that 19.5< isn't selling.

Buyers do check if your bud is duped, and they just go away if your bud does.

Maybe it's a common sense that 19 keys is the duped price and no one will sell you a clean one for just 19?

For the 19 clean sellers, they seems to be quick sellers, plenty of them closed their trades but still owns an amount of buds, very likely they are actually just selling one or two or few buds for quick keys.

For the 19 keys flat sellers

http://bazaar.tf/trade/773152 - 2 out of 4 shown duped, still owns 3 but trade closed

http://bazaar.tf/trade/772410 - He's a f2p with 50 backpack slots, no buds or keys found

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19306990 - All sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19288011 - 2 out of 8 shown duped, still owns 7 but trade closed

19 keys + 1 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19286350 - All duped buds, look into his backpack, buds are listed for 19 to 21 keys at the same time

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19242151 - Look into his backpack, 3 out of 4 duped

19 keys + 2 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16074622 - Half shown duped, all sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19231585 - 1 out of 4 shown duped, still owns 5 but trade closed

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18925471 - 1 out of 5 shown duped, still owns 3 but trade closed

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19304377 - Only selling one

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19263293 - No comment on this

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13168732 - Just guiding you to his bud bot, and trading bots are irrelevant

19 keys + 3 ref:

http://bazaar.tf/trade/761640 - Look into his backpack, 1 out of 4 duped but fine, no comment

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18904701 - He is actually selling for 19 keys + 4 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19264017 - Selling just one, and is duped, sold for 19k 3ref even it's a duped!

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19241307 - Selling just one, and is duped, sold for 19k 3ref even it's a duped!

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19297166 - No comment on this

Over 19.5k

19 keys + 4 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19207979 - Sold for 19k 4ref even it's a duped!

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19224171 - Sold for 19k 4ref even it's a duped!

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18416608 - Only 1 bud left! Very likely keep one for himself

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15166433 - Only 1 bud left! Very likely keep one for himself

19 keys + 5 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19010106 - Look into his backpack, 1 out of 3 duped, no comment

19 keys + 6 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19309942 - Still unsold because his only bud is duped

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19204931 - Sold for 19k 6ref even it's a duped!

Classifieds:

http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/id/52c8dc054cd7b8bb2f8b4567

Just look at how many of those are duped or gifted, and look into the seller's backpack, you can easily tell if he's trying to sell you the duped one with such low price.

Many from your 20 keys sellers are now sold/unsold because the bud is duped/mass seller

Can't see why clean buds price should be pulled down because of the sales of duped stolen ones.

downvote

Buds have been duped so many times that nobody cares anymore.

If you do care whether a bud is duped or not, then you are simply limiting yourself to smaller chunk of the community.

Talking about 19-19.5k, if you don't care, the seller just give you a duped, if you care, you just can't get a clean one at that cheap price.

19-19.5 is quite a secure range that you can get a duped one, not a clean one.

So the price of an item is only referring to the duped ones? And clean ones wouldn't worth more than duped?

Staying negative until proof of clean buds can be bought easily for below 19.5

I think you mean gifted...

The only times people really care when an item is duped is when you're dealing with high-end unusual items worth tens of buds at least.

Nobody wants to take the time to check if every single bud they handle is duped or not. If you do, then something is wrong with you.

Gifted are even worse than duped. Gifted ones should be like 18. (Or even lower I don't care, I wouldn't get one gifted on my hands, errr)

Well the fact is whenever you sell your bud for over 19.5, they actually check, and ask for the exact level one. Or maybe the buyers I met are particularly annoying? XD

I think we should stop talking about whether the buyers cares, because we can't proof and don't have a conclusion right?

I just wanted to point out that for many of the 19-19.5 buds they are duped, I personally think it is the reason they are cheap.

Also duped cheap price should also be included in the price range, they're still buds.

Opinions don't matter when it comes to price suggestions.

The fact that a bud may be duped is irrelevant due to so many having been duped, which is also why nobody cares about duped buds. Those that do care about the clean-ness of a bud are simply digging themselves into a hole. Must have been a bad experience to meet many of those kinds of traders.

Also, the reason why nobody is currently caring about this suggestion may because the majority of people are asleep.

While you're saying nobody cares, the fact is many does.

Which is sad because those people are only making it harder for themselves.

"Nobody cares" was not meant to be taken literally. Of course there are people that care, which I have already stated numerous times.

You're wrong sir/ma'am. If many cared how come they are being traded a lot? Read my reply to your other post :P

Few cares and they are stuck in time when duped buds mattered because the amount of buds at those times were way too low thus used to cost almost close to 30 key each. Now it will never reach to that point ever again.

Seems no one cares about this suggestion anymore, just me and you, so sad :'(

proof seems good, have agreed with this for some time, easy to buy at 19 keys + 1 ref on classifieds at all times, 19 usually goes quite quickly. ^ vote, upgoat, MOST UPPED OF THUMBS

I sold today 3 buds for 20 keys. Well, actually, 1 pair went for 20 Dota2 keys.

selling these things for 20 keys is stupidly hard, upvote.

only ever sold them for 20 keys on server

neutral

downvote

my 20 keys sales:

http://i.imgur.com/nN0hEPL.png

http://i.imgur.com/8AeYRvl.png

http://i.imgur.com/TcXrADM.png

http://i.imgur.com/djibV3Q.png

http://i.imgur.com/WeD4XQO.png

http://i.imgur.com/b6CdGnD.png

http://i.imgur.com/txUZIVJ.png

http://i.imgur.com/p27RsFC.png

http://i.imgur.com/aJwkz3i.png

http://i.imgur.com/nN0hEPL.png --> Newest

http://i.imgur.com/8AeYRvl.png --> New

Ranging from 5 days to 1 week.

http://i.imgur.com/TcXrADM.png

http://i.imgur.com/djibV3Q.png

More than 2 weeks+ or even 1 month

http://i.imgur.com/WeD4XQO.png

http://i.imgur.com/b6CdGnD.png

http://i.imgur.com/txUZIVJ.png

http://i.imgur.com/p27RsFC.png

http://i.imgur.com/aJwkz3i.png

All but two of your counter-proof are valid I would say. Glad that you are providing counter-proof but try to provide the most recent ones. I could show my 1920 trade proof as counter-proof and say I sold for 40 keys. Is that valid-able? Of course not. It was possible then might not be at the moment.

The buds price are ok... pls stop making this type of suggestions ¬¬

http://puu.sh/8ineW.png

http://puu.sh/8ini1.png

Downvote :|

every sold @ 20 helps right?

http://imgur.com/nq9j3T4

downvote

sold another one for 18 keys, 1.66 ref + ~3 keys in items

http://i.imgur.com/PTpvrRq.png

Selling 15 buds for 19 keys each

Proof

http://imgur.com/a/I2fuz

feels kinda like a quicksell, the top 3 were done within 4 minutes :u?

heh 666 votes

tf.outpost does not work in my area can somebody please help so I can understand every ones votes?

Why doesn't it work?

Trying searching with this program to get past any blockages.

https://ultrasurf.us/

Another at 20 I sold http://i.imgur.com/eqiYhRU.png

Who's cheap?

DOWNBOAT 20 keys easy sell

They can sell easy, it just takes a couple days, maybe a week.

A week for a currency is not easy.

I'm not sure if I should up vote so that when I get keys I can buy these cheaper or if I should downvote because the range has been so stable for 4 months. I think I'll just stay neutral until I can make up my mind, nice proof though.

Im selling buds every day since 2 months as i need steam wallt every day

it always takes me 1-5 minutes to sell a bud at 19 keys. how is that not a quicksell huh..

At 19 keys half are duped or gifted. 19-20 is still relevant. Downvote.

http://backpack.tf/item/281825931 - Duped

http://backpack.tf/item/156362396 - Duped

http://backpack.tf/item/93543889 - Gifted

http://backpack.tf/item/91886052 - Duped

http://backpack.tf/item/274136131 - Duped and Gifted

talk about duped buds.. lol

Noone care about duped buds anymore. Unless you wanna keep them.

Anyway :

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19336883#latest

Bought 3 buds for 19 keys in less than 2 hours.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13168732 - youyr 19 keys + 2 ref sellers, he's actually selling for 1 ref ^.^ so thats gud

as much as i don't want to click that check mark i am. thanks for not making me the one to call this.

Think the range is fine, 20 keys is still selling and below 20 keys is a fast sell

In outpost most people sell them for 20 keys... except of some that sell at 19.5 keys dumped ones.

Downvote

I could sell my earbuds for 100 keys, but it doesn't mean they they are worth that much.

Upvote. Good counterproof given, range looks good, links all valid at time of checking.

http://i.imgur.com/bBlMyk5.png - 20 keys

Even though my price is below 20, occasionally I still sell buds for 20. I'm staying neutral.

Just gonna put some past experiences out there. Firstly, in my opinion, duped buds sell exactly the same as clean ones. All the comments about how duped buds should be lower just don't make sense. A ton of buds that sell for 19 to 20 keys are duped and no one cares. Therefore, gifted buds are the only real factor you have to look out for. However I don't tend to have trouble selling buds for 20 keys. So I would lean towards a higher price in this case.

Sold 5 for 20 keys this week, current range is still fine.

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18768724[/url]

Well, this suggestion was a bit tricky--the mods discussed it at length, and the main concern was that there are a lot of sales for 20. Many people who want buds to wear are willing to pay 20 if the buds are non-duped and even moreso if they have a short history.

Ultimately, it comes down to a question of whether those constitute a large portion of buds buyers or not. Having to advertise your buds as non-duped or short history shouldn't be a requirement for selling them for the high end. It would be the same as basing our prices off special levels or paint--the price should represent the most common version of an item. While it is hard to say definitively, buds tend to be used more for unusuals than for wearing.

The mod team was certainly conflicted, but eventually, we decided that 19 keys is so easy to buy for (as the classifieds easily illustrate), and 20 slow enough to sell for that this range is more accurate.

As always, remember that cooldown is in effect for buds. http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/4347-a-cooldown-rule-is-in-effect-for-earbuds-until-further-notice-updated-nov-18/