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4 Month Old Price
Sale1
1:1’d for an Flaming Lantern Stash
History of the Cap: http://www.tf2outpost.com/item/440,2576017216,617,5
History of the Stash: http://www.tf2outpost.com/item/440,2584077317,54,5
=6 Buds
Sale2
1:1’d along with 29 Keys for a Harvest Moon Private Eye
http://backpack.tf/vote/id/538fd0ec4cd7b8d6178b4839
Harvest Moon PE= 7.7 Buds
7.7-1.7(Keys)= 6 Buds
6*0.9=5.4 Buds
Sale3
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19547546
Sold for a Ghosts Towering+ Clean Voodoo Juju + 12 Keys + about 15.6 Keys in sweets.
(4.8*0.9)+12.5 Keys+ 12 Keys+ (15.6*0.9)
=~6.6 Buds
Lantern Stash at 6 is clearly no longer accurate. (and probably never was)
It's not an outdated price, feel free to make a suggestion for it if you feel that it's not accurate. Also it doesn't change the range in anyway
It's obviously not accurate. No suggestion is needed. Just look at how Stashes are selling.
Proof please? If you want to disprove him with sales, then feel free ^^
Anyway, it's in the middle of the range, so it shouldn't matter as his range is based on two other sales. It's a supporting sale.
You know I'm right.
We would only know if someone bothered to go find sales for it, which I'm not. If you want to prove your point, idc ^^ Just don't go around making statements without backing it up on bp.tf ;)
And I'm not saying you're not right, I'm just saying your statement is opinionated without proof so it wouldn't count as a counter-argument concerning the validity of the sale.
We both know a Stash priced before the misc update is not accurate. If the site can't incorporate that knowledge something has gone wrong. Look at this suggestion (yes I'm involved, doesn't change how arbitrarily things are done here):
http://backpack.tf/vote/id/536e79cf4dd7b81a5b8b479a
OK, so in this case "everybody knows" the backpack price for new effects is wrong. No need for a new suggestion, it's just wrong. How is this different?
Ah, there we go, a reason. I didn't bother checking, I was just complaining that you were making a statement without a reason. ^^
It's not a reason, it's an example. Someone who thinks backpack is right wouldn't trade something priced at 14 for something priced at 5. They're both wrong. But at least apply the rules the same across the board. A little common sense wouldn't hurt either.
Aye, but you never mentioned a reason why it's not accurate, that's what Im complaining about. Otherwise, it's a valid reason to say that it might be an outlier and/or simply outdated depending on what it sold for after the update.
Ah, I gotcha. Cheers.
Statements without proof have no weight , also I've stated before that it doesn't change the range, just a supporting sale
It absolutely would change the range. All Stashes priced after the misc update have nearly doubled. Logic and common sense are not enemies.
As I've said before , you can go collect the proof if thats what you feel about the hat. (Your opinion doesn't count as proof)
No offense but you had nothing of value in your backpack until a couple weeks ago. Have you traded a Stash? Do you understand the circumstances? Does it matter that other people do, and are telling you that valuation is nonsensical? Cats and dogs, living together???
It would be more appropriate to post a counter suggestion.
We could then contrast and compare both suggestions and conclude with a logical conclusion.
EDIT: Upvote, in either case, Sale 2 and Sale 3 determine the low and high end of the range, so the stash does not clash with your proof right now.
It would be more appropriate for this site to make more sense. I can't be bothered to spend my time trolling around past trades. That doesn't mean common sense can't be applied.
- "This site" is made up of users such as you and I.
- If we are unhappy with a suggestion we can prove our argument in a quantitative fashion - numbers, calculations and facts.
- You see yourself as a pretty knowledgeable trader - it's an invaluable asset for any site (knowledgeable users), it would be of more help to make new suggestions, counter suggestions or provide proof in statements used in your arguments.
- For example, if you said Sale 1 should be ...... And provided the numbers, it would help us all make a better judgement.
As far as the suggestion is concerned - the user has proven their range, and the stash is but one of the 3 trades (and was used as the mid range trade), as such - the suggestion looks fine.
I've been through this. I don't have time to fill out spreadsheets to come to inaccurate conclusions but it shouldn't be a controversial statement that a Stash priced before the misc update is wrong. Full stop.
If you're going to make a comment about my backpack, maybe check that ~50% vote accuracy first. Also, the only nonsensical thing I see would be the lack of context leading up to your last sentence. All of your retorts just deviate away from the points I make and I see you've resorted to slinging mud instead of coming up with proper counter arguments. Not going to such much more other than my repeated point that you can go find proof that the Stash is not 6 Buds if you feel that the value recently suggested was wrong.
It was priced before it became a misc. If anything else has to be said there's a deficiency in market knowledge.
Stash is a pre-update value and cannot be used to price other hats.
You cannot use the ballcap to price the private and then the private eye to price this. That doesn't work on the grounds of circular pricing - pricing one hat off the other - but also because you have now applied overpay twice and have out of no where lost 20% value out of thin air.
Both low end sales are off here.