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Merry Christmas!
I can drop this with the classified alone.
Sellers at 11 keys
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24185732
Sellers at 11.5 keys
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24184376
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24190924
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24186261
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24179776
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24192152
Sellers at 12 keys
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24192358
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24191169
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24191588
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24191004
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24191111
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24178042
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24185779
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24184374
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24192242
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24192135
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24190036
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24180473
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24183449
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24190644
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24189896
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24188461
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24189762
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24189589
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24189358
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24187897
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24187830
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24186476
http://bazaar.tf/trade/1152499
Unsolds at 12.5 keys
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24185154
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24053957 - Last interest: 4 days ago
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24179705
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22907927
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24180041
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21218298
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24144898
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24191608
Sold for 11.5 keys
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24184376
Sold for 12 keys
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24189896
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24186058
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24185779
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24179816
Feel free to counter / support my proofs.
i sold a few of my buds at 11 :P
End 2014 - ~10 Keys
End 2018 - ~10 ref
look at the classifieds, countless for 11 keys. imo it should be in the range.
I just sold 19 buds for 11 keys.
I think 11 keys should be in the range, I bought too many at 11 and had to lower my buying price to 10 keys + 6 ref...
this makes sense. there's plenty available at 11.5-12 and quickbuyers are all at 11 or less
Indeed. Classifieds support this and so does the SCM.
It took me a while to find a buyer at 11, I was lucky that he was buying a bunch, but it took me hours just to find him.
Buds might drop to 10 keys soon before we know it xD
Hopefully not lower than that. Maybe they'd be pretty much useless, people would switch to keys and buds wouldn't be used as a currency.
" I can drop this with the classified alone. " <- Every single price suggestion ever.
" Buds might drop to 10 keys soon before we know it " <- Might drop ? How ? Magically?
" Backpack.tf doesn't have any influence on the actual market, it just states the truth " <- Ok, you got me here!
Okay.
Yeah. Technically, BP.TF just reports the price. It's the sellers who end up undercutting each other because of those price changes. So BP.TF is responsible, but not directly.
Don't blame the mass but blame the system, thats how everything works in life.
Sellers can sell for anything they want, but if they have a system that tells them the 'correct price of something' they will use that.
Technically it's not BP.tf fault anymore, but they invented the trend, now you can't stop it, it won't stop, and it will eventually crash.
Technically with low prices on everything, TF2 will lose value, people wont be able to buy games/dota2/csgo items because tf2 items worth nothing.
I just hope that the economy will crash with the game itself (being outdated).
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24184376 - <1day
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24190924 - 11.4
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24186261 - <1day
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24179776 - <1day
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24192152 - unbumped + 11.6
3x <1day sellers for such a high traded item. Need more sellers.
SCM and classifieds support the low-end. 11.4 is rounded to 11.5. Also, age doesn't matter, given how there are enough availability on the market.
check your numbers in that comment giang
Ops, fixed :P
Why the hell suddenly 3 earbuds suggestions?
This is the legit one
The other two are proofless suggestions
All unusuals now priced in keys D:
Proof is gud
gg
Classified:
11.36 keys x2
11.43 keys x7
11.5 - 11.99 keys x5
12 keys x99
Personal proof that supports the range:
http://i.gyazo.com/a825706ff1885baf4d39910318acfbe9.png x5
http://i.gyazo.com/368eb4c5c6a3aa22d095682409883ccd.png
http://i.gyazo.com/c476ac4c885b6c6210bc2377960cf7ab.png
http://i.gyazo.com/1764c4b102a3d1102c2856f7697769cd.png
http://i.gyazo.com/f901f0faa307a3f6a1180595ade59d7f.png
http://i.gyazo.com/c576022b903227892d2eeb167572f824.png
http://i.gyazo.com/fecc6b1557ad44a6c7d0070ea699fc75.png
http://i.gyazo.com/b3a47ef299a906936c66062c988c2c44.png
http://i.gyazo.com/3ea5e0f40ffecdcf13258d1b0900bdd1.png
http://i.gyazo.com/d8cae55878be10d4e7d2c1e4494dc75a.png
http://i.gyazo.com/0f6921da7f7f019a470efb969d85b305.png
http://i.gyazo.com/1932ba8a818deaf8f58c3c24bb570e34.png
http://i.gyazo.com/202ab62ef01e659fa256077ead63bb26.png
http://i.gyazo.com/77220ebd466e2fdaa57518da4252b338.png
Not really enough for a price suggestion. Gonna hold my click until you get more proof. It should have more like this: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/527421ac4cd7b833738b456b
Keep suggestion! Good luck!
This is enough proof.
That's a year old suggestion from a banned user.
Have you traded earbuds in the past 2 days? There are more than enough sellers at 12 keys and way too many sales below 12.
Chill out. Hostility. I'm just saying this is a quite small amount of proof. I'm not trying to attack anyone. lol
No no, I didn't mean it in an aggressive way.
I have made many currency suggestions so I do know what is enough.
Okay. I apologize for doubting your intelligence of the amount of proof needed. I was just trying to assist because the price suggestions I have seen have had a lot more proof. I apologize for me being ignorant.
And once again.... another drop.
Why not straight to 5 keys?
Saves time and trouble ;)
I voted no, and not because I have some. I don't care about them, they will be gone before they are worth less then I got them for ;-)
I voted no because of this simple logic:
When the earbuds (or any other item) on backpack.tf is priced at "X", people will start to sell it at "X-a bit" because thats easier to get rid of.
So you guys see that as a reason to create another price vote to make "X-a bit" the new price which of course will be totally accepted by the herd. Now "X-a bit" is the new price and people will start selling at "X-a bit-more"....
Well I'm sure you get this ;-)
No? It was to difficult? Or you just disagree? Its proven though ;-) Check the history
"History"? History of what?
Lol, seriously? XD
Alternate/Past suggestions
Submitter Price Suggested Details Notes
Avatar [F2P] Mr.Giang 12.5 keys Score: 82.28%
Accepted 3 days ago
Credit to =[sG]= Professor Pootis for most of the proofs. Shall we kill the Unusual market again? [...
Avatar muteyy 13–13.5 keys Score: 66.62%
Accepted 8 days ago
Huge thanks to Jacobmeister for all the help. unsolds at 14 keys+: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/...
Avatar ๖ۣۜGrim♡☮ 14 keys Score: 82.14%
Accepted 19 days ago
Lets do this. Why 14 keys? it is easily available. http://backpack.tf/classifieds?item=Earbuds&qua...
http://backpack.tf/stats/Unique/Earbuds/Tradable/Craftable
That just that..... and if you've been keeping your eyes open you've seen people going below that listed price each and everytime.
Thats no rocket science... thats just logic.
Those were people who knew what they were doing. As with this suggester.
What's your point, really?
Never mind, you just don't want to get it, which is basically a confirmation for me ;)
It does make sense. Too bad backpack.tf doesn't care about ruining the economy or not...
The price has gone down because of flippers on outpost. The flippers don't want the price to go down, they don't care about the price at all. They just want profit.
However, when the first slight drop came, people became frightened, because "buds are going down" (which means they don't understand how backpack.tf works: the arrows indicate that it HAS gone down, not that it will in the future), and try to get keys A.S.A.P., by listing them at a bit lower than current backpack.tf price. However, the backpack.tf price will be adjusted because of these posts.
This means we're in a vicious circle. There is no way out. The mass who has buds just keeps quickselling.
This works the other way around on keys: they go up, so everyone starts buying them for even more than the current backpack.tf price.
Good bye, Mannconomy. It was nice knowing you.Buds were originally used because people were too lazy to add 20+ keys in 100 key trades, lmao.
That's not what they are saying here. You totally missing the point!
What they are talking about is that maybe, just maybe people should start thinking about this. Why does its price has to be updated so often? Maybe stop that and take a cooldown period of say 1-3 months before another price vote is done?
I'm not saying it's crashing.
I just explained why the currencies used in the Mannconomy are so
f*cked uperm... unstable right now.It also explains why prices of items that were originally 6 keys are now 3, if you think about it.
Actually, waaaay back in the day, when TF2 was using the old trading interface, you couldn't trade away more than 8 items at a time. This is why items like buds, Bill's, and Max Heads became popular as currencies, because they could take the place of many items at a time. It's also the reason why keys never went past 2.33 ref for a long time, because eventually, all of the ref used wouldn't be able to fit in the box, and it would be unwieldy.
I have an even simpler logic.
Keys go up.
Buds go down.
The end.
The sad truth :-:
Such a nice story
Yes, there will always be people who sell for "X-a bit". However, the real question is will there be enough buyers at "X-a bit"? If yes, then price will drop to "X-a bit" regardless. And if no, then the "X-a bit" is a quicksell price and the price will remain at X. Quantity supplied and quantity demanded.
Right now, there simply are enough buyers at "X-a bit". Backpack.tf certainly plays a role, but it is ridiculous to put all the blame on backpack.tf.
Not blaming anyone here :)
Just said it's a vicious circle.
I don't know how to stop such a thing, it's probably a thing we should do all together, but considering there's always the people who want to be pigheaded and still sell for less, it won't work.
Yay to everyone, good ol' community :D
First, not blaming anyone or anything. Just trying to open a discussion and to get people to think about this.
So questions as "Is this the right way to do this?" "Should we vote so often" are being asked.
Again, I really don't care much is they are 20 or 10 keys. Its just that there are so many price votes on these important items of the Mannconomy that I'm questioning it. Common sense?
How about this as a suggestion. What if an item can only have one accepted price vote each month?
I mean.... democracy is good but most prices don't change that often. This isn't Petrol ;-)
12 shouldnt be in the range, not even possible sell for that.
It should as I have shown solds at that price.
Agree, tho after this suggestion gets accept it wont be possible anymore, because they will start sell for less than 11 keys
Backpack.tf reflects the current state of the market, not the future one.
I thought you should have known that :P
Dear god, this hurts to watch. I wonder if buds will ever take foothold as a strong currency ever again... they certainly aren't now.
Maybe we could make Horaces into a new currency. Everyone loves a severed bear head!
Horace is going down too, even faster.
Keys and ref should be only currencies though. CSGO market stays fine without something like buds so I believe that in the future, all Unusuals will be priced in keys though.
I actually spoke to polar about pricing more items in keys. I mentioned that many high tiered stranges and low tiered unusuals use keys as their main currency, and that there should be a cap: anything valued under the cap gets priced in keys, and anything above gets priced in buds. Sadly, he said that the currency used should be the same as the one used in the trades, which is mostly buds for unusuals.
No one (hopefully) would pay with 115 keys instead of 10 buds (assuming stable values). That's the purpose of currencies: to make transactions easier. Price fluctuations in currencies is just one of the prices we pay for the convenience.
If everything is priced in keys nobody would care about the buds price since its just an item.
Now its more like my $40 bill (Earbuds) is dropping to $20 while $1 (key) is still $1 :D
But I guess, in time and if this continues, keys might be the only TF2 currency.
The mentioned values are just examples! ;-)
But here's the thing. For unusuals higher than 3-5 buds, it's just unrealistic to use keys as currency anymore. There will always be another item(s) used to make trading easier.
And as long as that other item(s) is used in trading, the priced will be in "that item". And for high tiered items, "that other item" will always be used. Currently, "that item" is buds, and sometimes Maxes and HOUWARs.
Think about it this way. 1 cat = 20 keys. Blue Flames Group Captain is 15 cats. Wouldn't it be illogical for me to buy Blue Flames Group Captain for 300 keys instead of 15 cats? And since I bought it for 15 cats, why would it be priced at 300 keys instead of 15 cats?
lol, the feeling when you get buds and people lower the price. fuk
Back in my time, a buds cost 28 keys :'( But this how economy works, so upvote :)
Good proof
Upvote
[s]Im not saying that to have a higher backpack value :3[s]
majority of your links at 11.5 keys are young
Buying Unusuals never got so easier
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Upvote
before you do this, all unusuals should be priced in keys...
"all" yeah try to price a bf tc in keys pls THANKS
1-2 Months later buds droped 5 keys wow...
I think this will not stop unless people would sell them for the bp.tf price and not a key lower...
In my opinion max head should be the new "bud currency"
Anyway, "great job" upvote
neutral... waiting for a better range