Suggestion: Mann Co. Supply Crate Key at 13.33–13.66 ref

Additonal - sellers (checked the market at 3 various times, contains all valid sellers from 8 hours at most*) *= 8 hours, counted from the time I' ve checked it.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24648659 - 14.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24651249 - 14.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24652731 - 13.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24114577 - 14.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23565059 - 14.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24323033 - 13.77

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24438026 - 14.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24633427 - 14.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24652408 - 14.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24443944 - 15.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24649404 - 15.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24531016 - 14.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24651876 - 13.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24638554 - 15.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22556176 - 15.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24629186 - 14.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23517996 - 14.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24428906 - 15.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24110128 - 13.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24650448 - 15.00 (6)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24650882 - 13.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24650870 - 13.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24152195 - 13.77

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24626541 - 14.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24629536 - 14.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24638554 - 15.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24590690 - 14.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24558697 - 14.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24651249 - 14.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24654847 - 13.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24655135 - 13.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24655129 - 14.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24587372 - 14.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24638258 - 14.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24612797 - 13.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24612626 - 13.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24628635 - 13.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24531016 - 14.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24665668 - 14.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24597919 - 13.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24438026 - 14.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24205014 - 13.77

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24471787 - 14.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24663630 - 13.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24663734 - 13.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24649404 - 14.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24664036 - 14.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24550927 - 14.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24629186 - 14.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24595081 - 14.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24624971 - 13.55

The "sellers" only serves as to have a better look at the market.

Classifieds: basicly everything is a quicksell that is under 13.44. Only 3 offers under that value at the time of the suggestion (1x13 1x13.22 1x13.33, all sellers offline)

~ Pvt. Matyi

(ps: hope d0 do not minds...)

Whenever key suggestions are open, there are bound to be unhappy people who will possibly start a flame war. Please do NOT start flame wars or feed trolls on key suggestions. This is a serious matter and is a bannable offense. Don't say I didn't warn you. Please Keep ALL comments relevant and constructive to the suggestion, Spamming "Good proof upvote" etc is not helping the suggestion in any way. This will make a mod's life much, much easier. If you want to rant, do it in the forums.

One more thing, disliking all the comments against your thoughts will not make you a better person

You copied me exactly ;_;

i saw this text in some old key suggestion and decide to save it, it's very usefull.

I'm actually quite happy people appreciate this. Please do spread it.

It's not about the person, it's about the message he gives.

you have 3 links for 13.66

not to say,unsuccessful sellers at 13.44-13.66 are counter-proof to yourself

Those are simply sellers, I've stated this is additional information, only to show what people selling for. Many of them is possibly poorly bumped. (or not bumped at all). Once again, I've just collected all links that was posted 8, or less hours ago at 3 random times in a 2 and a half day period, than I've checked which ones have sold.

Also, succesful sellers at 14.00 and buyers raging from 13.33-13.66 (even 14.00) proves that 13.66 should be in range.

backpack.tf shows 970354 keys exist currently.

again,you really think a few solds for 13.66-14 validates a higher range ? sorry but d0's suggestion holds more water.

i mean look at this 14 ref sold for example http://www.tf2outpost.com/user/71238

look at how many times he re-made the trade. TBH i wouldn't even be suprised if he sold for less than 14

14.00 is not even in the range. "TBH i wouldn't even be suprised if he sold for less than 14" Following this logic you can pretty much unvalidate all proof at every suggestion. Check the other proof I've posted, there are plenty of trades between 13.33 and 13.66.

no i can't if there is a decent amount of sales. and there just isn't enough sales at 13.66 for a currency

Well, go ahead, and prove me wrong. Gather more sellers/solds at 13.33 than 13.44 or above.

it's 1 am + you already did the job for me http://prntscr.com/5tdyiy

All I can see is that a few pooly bumped 13.44-13.66 did not sell. The rest is unimportant, as above 13.77 it is not in the range. However some 14.00 sellers just prove my point. (it just resembles what people trying to sell for, as I said before). Only the minority of outpost sellers selling at 13.33.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24427462

it's sad he closed it now,but still

why does an unsuccessful seller prove your point ?

he was selling for 20 ref.why not make a range of 13-20 ?

Also, take a look at the classified right now. (I know it can not but used as proof, but still)

http://kepfeltoltes.hu/150116/ckassifieds2_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.png

Only 3 offer below 13.66

Also, just checked outpost:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24670368 - 13.33 - quicksold 4 in 19 minutes

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24612797 - 13.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24612626 - 13.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24628635 - 13.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24663630 - 13.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24663734 - 13.44

All 13.44 sellers sold as well, except the one that havn't been bumped.

Okay, adding some more proof, adding more in the near future.

buyers:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24670328 - b 13.44 s 13.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23798941 - b 13.55 s 13.77

http://bazaar.tf/trade/1124443 - b 13.44 s 13.66 (thanks for the link)

sold:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24670762 - 13.66 (quick)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24670368 - 14.00 (quick)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24670341 - 14.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24055156 - b 13.00 s 13.44 - out of stock

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24670904 - 13.44 (quick)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24533464 - 13.55 sold 15-20 (asked him personally)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24629155 - b 13.33 s 13.55 out of stock

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24671177 - 13.44 (quick)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24670838 - 13.44 (quick)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24671199 - 13.33 (quick)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24671288 - 13.44 (quick)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24671626 - 13.66 (sold 2 so far)

-Solds-

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24672494 - 13.33 (quick)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24673497 - 13.66 sold ~30 at that price (asked personally)

-Buyers-

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23902384 - b 13.33 s 13.88

"Proof is looking very nice d0, but could use more sales.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24440245#latest - I've sold AT LEAST 30 keys at 13.33 ref each, and 15 keys at 13.66 ref each. 13.33 goes really fast, and 13.66 has been going fast too." - from the other suggestion.

-Solds-

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24674235 - sold 3 at 13.55, 2 at 13.44

-Buyers-

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24423454 - b 13.33 s 13.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24629155 - b 13.33 s 13.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24255488 - b 13.55 s 13.66 bot

-Solds-

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24675166 - 13.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24674660 - 13.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24559451 - 13.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24653858 - 13.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24633293 - 13.66 (bot, out of keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24624971 - 13.55 (not in bp anymore)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24666655 - 13.66 (+ sold 8 key for 117 ref = ~ 14.625ref/key)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24495068 - 13.66 - out of stock (also buying for 13.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23891348 - 13.66 - out of stock (also buying for 13.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24683519 - 13.55

-Buyers-

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24670328 - b 13.44 s. 13.66 bot

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24195763 - 13.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23566372 - 13.66 bot

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24456592 - 13.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24683472 - 13.66-88

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24683450 - 13.44 (quick)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24683448 - 13.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24671527 - 13.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23954284 - b 13.55 s 13.77 (already posted this link, now buying for ,55 instead of ,44)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24671661 - 13.66

-Solds-

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24681015 - 13.66 (also buying for 13.44)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24652731 - 13.66 (sold 1 so far, asked him personally)[sold more at 13.33 a few days back]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24684266 - 13.55 - out of stock (also buying for 13.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24589201 - 13.55

-Buyers-

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24682749 - 2 key for 27 ref (13,5ref/key)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24683873 - 13.44

-Solds-

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24683531 - 13.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24683583 - 13.55

Okay, I've gathered some extra proof so far, if anymore needed, I'll get more.

clean and strong proofs

upvote

i'm talking about the buyers, don't just look at the sellers that their future is to be solds

speculating that a seller will sell =/= sale

I also bought many keys at 13.44 with my 232 ref I had.

http://bazaar.tf/trade/1124443 (bot) - Selling for 13.44 many have bought i have bought over 10 from him

I don't mind at all, best of luck!

Thanks, this means a lot for me. Good luck for you as well.

d0 is pretty darn kewl

yes its full of sellers but wheres solds??

downvote sry m8 dont h8

Sales = solds?

Or am I thinking wrong?

Spy: Right behind you.

No seriously, here:

http://kepfeltoltes.hu/150116/sales_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.png

+ the ones I've added in my other comments.

Here we go again. Upvote. Very good proof.

no proof for 13.66 and 13.55 ..range should be 13.33-13.44

Most of the buyers is bots Down vote. No real Buyers

And your point is...? Bots are more stable buyers than "real" buyers.

Bots are there to make Real people profit. Buy keys for 13 ref then turn around and sell for 13.33-.13.55 or whatever the bots pay for them. How are bots more stable than real people?

Downvoting my comment won't make your point more valid. Bots are part of the market. Deal with it. They are making profit...so? Just like the majority of traders.

They are more stable, because they sell/buy a huge amount of keys. Please don't go off topic, if you don't understand those things.

I wasnt going off topic. What makes me really mad that your had a mid on a ...... Dummkoft to put bots as buyers. Have you seen other Key Votings? How many do you see that have soooo many bots on the buyer section?

Okay, there you go, checked the first 2 pages of outpost right now.

buyers:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24667337 - 13.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24626170 - 13.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24658201 - 13.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24672139 - 13.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24658201 - 13.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24669298 - 13.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23566372 - 13.66 bot

Can you show me, where the rules states that bot trades can not be used as proof, please?

Edit: just checked others, they DO use bot trades. (check the ones for example provided by d0). Others just do not mention it is a bot trade, because it is NOT importat. Hope now you are satisfied.

- Buyers -

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24065887 - b 13.55 s 13.88 bot

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24565485 - b 13.55 s 14.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24478225 - b 13.55 s 13.88 bot

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23954284 - b 13.44 s 13.66 bot

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24305218 - b 13.44 s -----

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23802959 - b 13.33 s 13.66 bot

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23613227 - b 13.33 s 14.00 bot

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24603019 - b 13.33 s 14.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24387421 - b 13.33 s 13.66 bot

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24305218 - b 13.33 s ----- bot

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21058028 - b 12.33 s 13.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24285922 - b 13.33 s 13.55 bot

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24600512 - b 13.22 s 13.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24664471 - b 13.33 s 13.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24655968 - b 13.33 s 13.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24255488 - b 13.22 s 13.33 bot

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23389432 - b 13.22 s 13.77 bot

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24603107 - b 13.22 s 13.66

Here is the rest you forgot to add..

For the last time: stop spamming if you are unable to add any constructive. (Still can't see that rule that bot trades can not be used.) Now chill. the 7 trades I've added are NEW ones. Not in the original list.

I didnt say the bots are not a rule ppl just dont use them as much so it comes to real people so you can get a better upvote. Please read better.

Votes on a suggestion don't count for shit. Bots are fine to use as long as they are valid sales/sellers and their presence in the proof should not affect how someone votes on a suggestion. They exist to make trading more convenient, and in some (a lot) of cases they are used to bank items for profit.

Proof seems alright to me, upvote !

Don't post shit that the mods have to wade through. If you want to upvote go ahead, don't need to tell anyone and it makes the mods' job harder having to look past crap like this.

Most of the buyers are Bots -.-

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24651015 - 14.00

he doesn't sell keys manipulate the price

you have my upvote

Almost every proof for 13.33-13.66 are bots and there's no much proof for the .55-.66, also, most of the the 14-15 refs sellers haven't (apparently) sold a key, so I think the key price must be 13-13.33 at the moment, maybe in a mont it will raise, but not now.

Plenty of sellers for 13 ref.

Would you post those links, please? (by the way, no, no sellers for 13 ref)

Yeah, I haven't been able to find any sellers for 13 ref in the past few days. Everyone seems to want around 13.33-14.

only really 2 links at 13.66 (excluding the bots)

Bots are just as legit as any other trade.

do you have proof they sold any at their current price though

I proved bots as buyers, not as sellers.

then my point stands, you only have 2 links at 13.66 with sales

uhm...nope? Check all the proof, in the comments too.

i don't think you have enough sales though, majority of your proof is just sellers

Sellers are NOT proof. It is just there to show what people are trying to sell for. That's why it says "additional". But your point stands, I'm still gathering sales at 13.33-13.66.

Well, to be fair, I agree with this suggestion. I don't really see anyone selling keys for 13 refs, all of em are atleast 13.33 - 13.66. Indeed, I don't have proof, but almost 75% of em knows, no one is selling keys for 13 refs, which means, key should be going up to 13.33 ref atleast!

well i agree with you but people want proof all are at 14.33-14 ref

This is a very good suggestion. I buy keys for 13.33 ref and sell them for 13.66 with my Keybanking Bot. I hope this one will be accepted.