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Lets try this again...
Please dont kill me for this... Only doing it as a request for a friend.
This was a b%$^# already.
Sold for:
Wepons:
Strange Spec ks Kritzkrieg - 31 keys low end = 2.58 buds
aussie sniper rifle - 47 Keys low end = 3.91 buds
S.F Medi gun - 30 keys = 2.5 buds
Strange spec ks gunslinger - 25 keys = 2.08 buds
Strange festive spec ks Wrench - 14 keys = 1.16 buds
Aussie minigun - 29 keys = 2.41 buds
Strange machina - 13 keys = 1.08 buds
Strange holy Mackerel - 3 keys = .25 buds
Total - 2.58 + 3.91 + 2.5 + 2.08 + 1.16 + 2.41 + 1.08 + .25 = 15.94 rounding up to ~16 buds
Unusuals:
Clean Roboactive buckaroos hat - 2.6 buds mid range price rounding to 2 buds pure.
Clean anti freeze brainiac hairpiece - ~26
Mini suggestion for the hairpiece -
Recently sold for $550 cash + 2 buds and 6 keys
Proof - http://gyazo.com/eb6208cd31183035aabb7ba4f40bcc1f and http://gyazo.com/7dc55eb078a56a0fd175d118825b42a3
Valuing buds at $22 each = ~25 + 2.5 in pure added = ~26.5 buds pure. rounding to 26
Clean Antifreeze War pig - 14 buds mid range price.- rounded to 14 buds
Clean Burning Flames Pomade Prince - 24 buds mid range price - rounded to 24 buds
Duped Burning Flames Geisha Boy - 4.2 buds is current price - rounding to 4 buds
Duped Knifestorm Scotsman's Stove Pipe - 6.3 buds current price - rounding to 6 buds
2 + 26 + 14 + 24 + 4 + 6 = 76 x .9 (overpay) = 68.4 rounding to ~68
Total of 68 (of hats including overpay) + 16 (in stranges and strange festives and aussies) = ~84.... rounding to ~80 as told by admin.
Proofs:
http://gyazo.com/b0665b80630f71762006d9607168888c
http://gyazo.com/60a04978ed534f79e2ae4070d0b69325
http://gyazo.com/75858a49ff143f66fdaf2a31b91e4409
Sellers trade - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25082766 - did not have a buyout.
note seller was banned on outpost a day after trade opened and was not able to receive offers on the trade listing. He was unbanned a day before he sold it.
Current owner did list it on outpost but took it off and has said he plans on keeping it for a while so it wont be for sale.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/user/552981
The hat is 1 of 2 and the other owner who is the unboxer has no plans to sell as well.
None are currently on the market.
Some of the hats here are outdated. But even if the warpig and stovepipe are off by a buds here or there, it won’t affect the value. We have always made exceptions on high tiers because they just don’t have the precision in value that regular hats do.
The issue at heart here is that there have been two recent trades – the one at 32 and the one at 80. The sale at 32 wasn’t by a new trader. It was an experienced trader with autobump on his trades. He had it up for a solid 10 days. So the question really is how we should evaluate this. I will leave this up for a while and am more than happy to listen to community input.
Oooh, community, that's me!
Deciding an outlier is going to necessarily be a matter of personal opinion, since I doubt either of these are getting put on the market soon.
As a suggester, given two sales I've always leaned towards the higher one not being the outlier, purely because vastly overpaying is a much rarer occurrence than vastly underpaying.
Ironically I feel an average of the two sale values (~55) is probably the nearest estimate of the actual value, but a range of 30-80 would be, pointless, insane.
So, eh, why the heck not. I'm behind this.
In my opinion, it is best to wait at least a month before pricing this again. 2 burning hood exists, and the other one isn't tradable yet. Based on what the owner of the untradable one wrote on his steam profile, it looks like we might possibly be seeing another sale soon:
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198065544498 - ...But the hood im not trading it just yet. Still make a offer. But im not selling it for less then 50buds.
If we wait for a month before pricing this, we might have more sales to work with and determine the outliers. There's no harm in waiting, as this can then be priced at 80 buds should no other sales take place within that period of time.
Well, I would call this an outlier.
If you take a look at the Purple Energy Pyromancer's Hood, then you'll see it gets around 11.5 Buds, other hats with same effects which reaches about the same are:
Anger = 11.5 Buds outdated
Bubble Pipe = 11.6 Buds outdated
Blighted Beak = 12 Buds
Company Man = 10 Buds outdated
Brainiac Hairpiece = 13 Buds
Pyromancer's Mask = 13 Buds
Modest Pile of Hat = 13 Buds outdated
So, if you take a look at their Burning variants:
Anger = 28 Buds outdated
Bubble Pipe = 50 Buds outdated
Blighted Beak = 15.5 Buds, it's important to note here that the Beak is a misc, and 30 Burning ones exist making it less rare.
Company Man = 17.5 Buds outdated, it's important to note that it is all class, and 9 exist
Brainiac Hairpieace = 60 Buds outdated, important to note that this is a very high tier misc
Pyromancer's Mask = 24.5 Buds outdated, note that this is a misc, it's for Pyro making it obviousy to compare to the Hood
Modest Pile of Hat = 21 Buds, not that this is an all class hat
Can't just compare with one effect only, therefore I will do it again with Blizzardy Storm:
The Hood itself is about 5 Buds, other hats with same effect are in same price range are:
Executioner = 4.9 Buds outdated
Villain's Veil = 4.4 Buds
Pyromancers Mask = 5 Buds
The Burning Variants of theese hats have price ranges about theese:
Executioner = 70 Buds outdated, note this is an all class hat
Villain's Veil = 40 Buds outdated, note that this is a very high tier misc
Pyromancer's Mask = 24.5 Buds outdated, agian, pyro misc, makes it very obvious to compare to the hood
I'll do this a third and last time, this will be with the Green Confetti effect:
The Hood itself is 7 Buds, only the Bronw Bomber is close enough to it, some others would be stupid to compare with (the Team Captain), and other don't have a Burning one.
The Burning Brown Bomber is 55 Buds outdated.
So, the Purple Energy hats around 11.5 Buds have Burning variants which make an average of 31 Buds, on the comparison with Blizzardy Storm it's 45 Buds and in the Green Confetti comparison it's 55 Buds.
(31 + 45 + 55) / 3 = 43.33333
*This is a very rough estimation, not to be taken accurately
I call it an outlier, if you compare other hats with this one which have same price in some effects, you will get an average almost half of this suggested price. I think waiting for another sale is the best soloution for this.
Effect comparisons do not account for hype. So they're of no use to us here.
Hype or not, it's without a doubt best to wait for another sale, and this estimation does have have problems with hype and such, but still far enough away from 80 Buds to proove that 80 might be a bit over the edge.
I agree we need another sale.
And I'd also like to point out I wasn't your dislike, in any other situation your calculation would be moderately helpful at least.
Though I'd just like to point out every other priced effect on this hat was priced by me, and so I'd like to think I have an understanding of this thing XD
I disagree with your method of determining outliers. Prices here are what people would pay for them, and it varies completely depending on the rarity, frequency in the market, amount in existence, preference, and many other factors.
If we base outliers according to your statement, then the Burning El Jefe shouldn't be anywhere close to 70-100 buds.
I'm not saying that 80 buds here is not an outlier, but I too feel that it's best to wait for another sale.
I tried to exclude hats which have effects that have a huge value, like the Team Captain or the Killer Exclusive, I'd say El Jefe is one of them.
It's not accurate at all, but it's enoguh to determine an outlier since it won't be inaccurate enough to make the end result 40 Buds lower than this very suggested price.
You can't use non-pyro classes to make comparisons to a rare pyro burning hat. This is more akin to the burning combustible buto than any of the other hats you have presented here except maybe the bubble pipe.
Hm, anyway it only supports my point, if you'd take Pyro unusuals of same tier as this, the Burning average would be alot lower than 80 Buds.
Is the guy who paid 80 a collector? You know those who pay lots for something they really want.
no he isnt a collector.
My mind is full of wow
Seems like I should post my Dusk BoA suggestion soon.
And since Polar stated the facts of the accuracy, I'll upvote this
"The issue at heart here is that there have been two recent trades – the one at 32 and the one at 80. The sale at 32 wasn’t by a new trader. It was an experienced trader with autobump on his trades. He had it up for a solid 10 days."
I would wait for the other one to sell.
I highly regret panic selling when the second one was unboxed ;-;
...I partially sold it to him because I thought Groovy was a collector, but that was kind of dumb of me to think considering he immediately flipped it for massive profit.
That explains everything
Well RIP.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Welp, guess I'm never going to own this...
On account of the sales though, it all depends on what Koopsyyy will sell it for and what kind of offers he's going to get.
Honestly, at this rate I'd offer 90 Pure + my Burning Hoodie if I could, but I know that's not happening.
This guy just bought the other one with his Arcana KE: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25126696
looks like he got the hood + the planets skull cap for the arcana ke.
Yeah, it looked like that but I wasn't entirely sure since in the linked trade he just said he bought the Hood with it.
also this - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25147615
Well another sale happened - for a clean harvest and GE tc. That will be pretty close to 80. Not really usable given the harvest tc has an old price, but safe to say the sale at 80 is not an outlier any more.