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FOR THOSE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND, CHEM SET+1 OBJECTOR WERE SOLD FOR 9 BUD MAKES IT A COLLECTORS OBJECTOR, SINCE HE HAS ANOTHER ONE WITH A BO OF 8 RANGE WILL BE 8-9
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25271120
Sold chem set missing one objector for 9 buds, last objector was added.
Basiclly c objector sold for 8 bud, medred wanted to build the chem set himself so he returned the c objector and added a bud to make it 9 bud and there we go http://i.imgur.com/bEMvGQ9.png
http://i.imgur.com/wyiLK7z.png
According to this suggestion im allowed to use chem sets as a valid proof: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/52de81294cd7b8a9208b4568
Yeah, he did turn it into a collector's: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198002962970?time=1425628
Upvote I guess.
its overpriced bullshit
you might get a warning point for that
welcome to tf2 trading, young one
And if you think FDU proof wasn't enough i got this as well http://backpack.tf/vote/id/546c0e85ba8d88db6a8b482e
Credit to bluerain for finding newer proof xD
http://backpack.tf/vote/id/54d40c12b88d88ae488b48aa
@Leo.
stop trolling pls. who need it for 9 buds and where proof about who buy this for 9 buds?
dafuq you want from me, el proof is at the thingy
I think this guy is joking or is trolling...
Almost blindvoted until I clicked to see more...
Well, there is a small difference between selling the chemistry set and selling the actual collectors' weapon.
For instance I'm willing to pay 9 keys for a third degree chemistry set, but declined a collectors' third degree for 5 keys.It's just a whole different feeling having crafted the object yourself/ being the very first in the item history or having bought it from someone else and therefore being 2nd or further in the item history.
As you can see the buyer had the chance to buy the collectors' weapon or the chemistry set which were both sold by the same guy. The buyer went for the more expensive chemistry set, so you cannot say that he just didn't see the cheaper completed collectors' weapon. In fact he already had bought the collectors' objector before deciding to "upgrade" to the chemistry set.
The other suggestion with the chemistry set may have only passed because it is a 1 of 1 and therefore there was no Collectors' item of that kind but only the chemistry set.
Being the first to craft doesnt make the value lower or higher sorry but you are wrong here
Have you actually read my text and looked at your own proof? The guy bought the collectors weapon for 8 buds first and then TRADED IT BACK AND ADDED A BUD for the set. Which means he valued the set higher. If you go on and say "but it is the same value" that is your opinion. We are here on backpack.tf to reflect the real prices on items and the price for that kind of chemistry set appears to be higher than the finished collector.
Still not convinced? Please explain why bacon grease is higher in price than the strange pan. According to your logic it should be the same.
That's hus mistake buying it for more, he probably valued it at more but he himself made it into a collectors objector.
The fact he wanted to be the very first one in the history doesn't change it.
And you value it the same...or dear, two different opinions. What are we going to do now? How about we let the sales of the chemistry sets decide.
1x Sale for more than the finished collectors objector
0x Sales for same/ less than the finished collectors objector.
I'm sorry, but the proof appears to strongly disagree with your opinion.
Now I have brought up several arguments and proof why the chemistry set of the objector is higher in price while you keep refering to your "but it is not"-opinion without backing your statement up. Please find some proof where the objector chemistry set was sold at the same/ at a lower price than the collectors' objector and your statement may have some credibility.
Yea... Ok.
Gonna let the mods decide.
to sum it up,your argument is that chem. sets are worth more,based on people's opinions.
Based on proof. Someone actually paid more.
he paid more because it meant something to him.
i do agree it should be 8 flat.
but also you can't "generalize" the issue.
As I said, we always have to use proof. In this case we do have the proof.
just let a mod decide.
yes, stop spamming my suggestion with speeches please :D
I think this suggestion illustrates that there is a value difference between the chem set and the objector. The price suggestion is for the objector, so it should be based on that, not sales involving the chem set.
Your comment "Being the first to craft doesnt make the value lower or higher" is obviously wrong because the buyer got the chem set for 9 buds when he could have just bought the collector at 8.
so basiclly the counter to my suggestion is invalid too, It wasn't actually sold for 8, it got returned.
Both suggestions are suppose to be closed then.
Yes, the counter is definitely wrong, but I'd like to wait for more community / mod input on this. We have in the past accepted suggestions based on the chem set, so now is probably a good time to make the final stand on this issue.
ok thanks :D
Also i know my comment is wrong but it may not mean my suggestion is too
I'm fully aware that my counter is flawed. No sale happened.
But I saw making a counter the best way to bring enough attention also from the community towards that matter.
Personally I have nothing against chem sets being used as proof for the equivalent items as long as it is supporting proof. Suggesting a price solely on sale(s) of a chemistry set especially if there are the equivalent counterparts on the market is not sufficent.
I'd suggest handling chemistry sets the same as backpack.tf classifieds (unless big exceptions like those 1:1 chemistry sets)
You mentioned yourself you countered and showed a FALSE sale at 8 buds, This wasn't just to grab attention because you have already grabbed attention in my suggestion.
We said we'll let the mods decide and yet you make a false counter.
We already had several cases in which a suggestion with a wrong price was accepted soley because it was a better price than the current one even though the proof indicated a different price. That happened simply because there was no counter.
This time I took the bitter pill to create a counter even though I was of the opinion that the time was not right to suggest a new price.
But explain to me why did you place the false 8 buds sale...
After all this is your only proof, I know it was to grab"attention you already had", But what were you planning to do with it? Lie to the mods and make it be 8 buds falsely?
Why false 8 buds sale? I WAS SOLD FOR 8 buds; true it was traded back, but I never actually tried to hide that fact. In the first trade the buyer bought the item for 8 buds. In the 2nd trade (that happened a minute after that) the seller accepted the item as 8 buds replacement. Also one could argue that if the seller didn't also have the chemistry set the buyer would have kept the collector's item, but that is just vague guessing.
All in all: 2 trades happened, in both the item was accepted as 8 buds. If you are of the same opinion as me, you see that as a trade back, where no sale of the collector's item happened in total. But you could also be of the opinion that the item was sold for the equivalent of 8 buds twice which would validate the price of the item at 8 buds.
I could argue with you all day long, But i think your speeches took enough space in this suggestion.
As i was stating multiple times while you kept ignoring me, We'll let the mods decide....