Suggestion: Anti-Freeze Ground Control at 198 keys

Price Suggestion

~170 keys

anti-freeze

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This suggestion was accepted Thu, 18 Jun 15 18:17:04 +0000 by polar.

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"I'll try to retain a hat's value and falsely label a price because i don't want my backpack to drop"

Second time someone has come to me asking me to falsely retain a hat's value because "his opinion is worth more than the actual price". Ugh.

Only Sale

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25269657 Sold for Searing Merc's

B/O for Control was 260

B/O for Merc's was 250

X = 220*0.9

X = 198

Merc http://backpack.tf/item/2775407107

Ground http://backpack.tf/item/3547641177

He's confirmed that he won't be reselling. Will provide screenies if needed.

seems the mercs added stuff according to the other suggestion that's up.

Max ended up in Sweepstakes bot.

Nothing else was added, Boom's got the entire sale wrong

kk. was just pointing that out.

:/ He didn't check the histories of the items...

Mercs was worth 250, there are offers on it that can prove it, and there was no overpay involved

Just from my trade, there's searing kiss, secret bicorne, TF Gibus+beams thirst

But we're not focusing on offers of the Merc's. The Merc's value is 220. You may resuggest the Merc's if you feel this value is wrong

But it will be too late, because this suggestion will have passed. The mercs value IS 250, and the offers prove that value, just because I can't make a suggestion based on offers doesn't mean it is worth that much less

Then show us these "offers" worth 250k or more. Instead of claiming Phantom values, why not show us?

Just look at my trade: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26019690

First Offer: Nowhere near 250 keys

Second Offer: Bicorne is priced at 75 keys -.- http://backpack.tf/stats/Unusual/Buccaneer's%20Bicorne/Tradable/Craftable/43

Third Offer: What's a "TF Gibus"? Beams Blood is only 92 keys.

Fourth Offer: DCO is 97.5. Beams Thirs is 92. 92*0.9 + 97.5*0.9 = 170.5.

Nice link post mate

You're clearly putting false value on the Merc's without researching your offers.

Guessing you couldn't bother to read the offer at the bottom, searing kiss? A TF Gibus is a TF logo Gibus, seems pretty simple to me.

Youre clearly pricing it lower than i paid simply because you dislike me instead of interest of actually helping people know the price, as i stated im probably never selling this. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25445091 this trade also has 250+ offers.

I'd much prefer this to just remain unpriced than have it put lower than I paid...

First Offer: Harvest Authority is 228 keys. Nowhere near 250

Second Offer: Horrific is Unpriced. But clearly a major downgrade.

Third Offer: Frostbite TC is unpriced.

Fourth Offer: PE Kabuto is 167 keys. Viewfinder is ~227.

Fifth Offer: Softcap is 92 keys. Glory is outdated at 147 keys. 92*0.9 + 147*0.9 = 215. Still not 250 keys.

Sixth Offer: Miami Crone's is 85 keys. KaW is outdated at 120. 120*0.9 + 85*0.9 = 185 keys.

Seventh Offer: DaD Cannonball isn't even worth 150

You haven't done ANY Research on these hats at all.

Don't claim bias that just because i don't like you means i'll be unreasonable in suggestions. That's just looking for sympathy.

Frostbite TC had a 400 key offer/buyout. Masque had 300 key buyout. You refuse to do actual research on these hats, you're just quoting backpack.tf even on the outdated ones as it suits you so that you can lower my hat, because you dislike me.

What Masque effect? B/Os mean NOTHING. If they meant anything we'd price hats based on B/O alone, leading to HEAVILY INFLATED VALUES

I'll repeat again, don't claim bias that because I don't like you it means I price unreasonably.

I like how you ignored the TC and the Kiss again, nice.

The burning masque, which you would have seen if you actually read the offers.

uhhh? Read the rules, only use B/O in cases where the sale is more than the B/O.

It doesnt matter what the owner thought it was worth, it matters what its actually worth

As much as I don't want any Ground Controls to drop, perceived worth by 1 user =/= actual worth.

You need buyers that are willing to pay that much. If we base our prices off of sellers, I could set a B/O for a 1 of 1 hat at 9000 keys, and nobody would buy it. Trying to make a price suggestion off of that would be absurd.

Alright, if you really aren't biased, then close this suggestion and I'll get proof for those hats and price it at 220 or whatever 250 would be with overpay, despite the fact that he didn't require overpay and that's 30 keys less than I paid for it.

Edit: Actually I guess it doesn't matter, I'll just make a counter-manipulation suggestion.

"Close this suggestion and I'll get proof"

Yeah...how about you get proof first, and we'll respond to the proof later? I think that sounds like a fine idea.

Also, doesn't matter whether or not he needed overpay. It gets factored in anyway.

...I don't mean to get involved in this, but after reading what you just wrote I can't help myself.

You know why he's quoting backpack prices instead of using B/O's? Because backpack.tf uses recent sales to price things. It I were to get the 1/1 purple confetti rebel rouser and set a B/O of a burning TC for it, does that mean it's worth a burning TC? According to your logic, it does. You refuse to do any actual research on what these hats sold for, you're just quoting traders and their unreasonable B/O's as it suits you so you can pretend your hat is worth more than it is.

http://i.imgur.com/rV661Q0.png

http://prntscr.com/79rzu4

+ it seems he added even more

http://prntscr.com/79rzye

such a high declined offer should provide that 200~ is an outlier

I still find that suspicious.

While I am one to change opinion based on given factual evidence I don't think that offer was legit. It could be claimed it is but i'm calling a sus, he was "there" on the forums when I plugged this suggestion, saying "Gee, thanks for putting it back on the market guys".

I suspect he's possibly offering for the same exact reason Taco is trying so hard to inflate the value of a hat.

PS The Ground Control is DUPED and GIFTED. The most recent Sale lead to it to be sold for a PE Madden which is only ~105 keys. (94.5 after overpay). 180 is INFLATED.

I just did a mini on the Control

Duped n Gifted Ground Control

Only Sale

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25302384 Sold for PE Madden

B/O for Madden was 90 keys. It sold in 3.1 weeks.

Ground Control never had a trade. Presuming Offered

X = 104.5*0.9

X = 94

X = 90 (B/O)

Madden http://backpack.tf/item/3561405973

Ground http://backpack.tf/item/2847826416

I've just updated at least 3 of the hats involved in the trade.

My Mini for the Control below shows it's worth 90 keys.

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5565709edea9e9c60d8b4570 Shows that the Baker is 31 keys.

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/55656bc5dea9e9021f8b456d Shows the Party is 23 keys.

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/55654274ba8d88ac5e8b4568 Shows that the Mullet is the same price

90*0.9 + 31*0.9 + 23*0.9 + 17*0.9 + 22.5*0.9 = 165.1

With the Rebel

"" + 40*0.9 + "" + "" + "" = 173.2 keys

Nice arbitrary value you got there.

the key word is however "i added 70-80 in mixed too"

looking at his backpack,he has 21 keys, and by offering ANY unusual with that,the offer IS higher than 200 (and didn't reach even near of the "arbitrary 70-80"

165 + 21 = 186

173 + 21 = 194

You're missing something?

Also until these sweets are disclosed, they might as well be an inflated worth of tons of crates.

no i'm not.

he added the 70-80 the the OP offer

165 + 21 + cheapest hat he could have offered (flies pot 12~) makes it 199~

and there is still a lot of headroom in the (70-80 range),so he could have might as well offered more

if those "sweets" have a value of 33+,will you close this suggestion ? i have no issue of adding and asking,if it won't be in vain.

Give me the data and I choose.

You're very insistent on making me close this suggestion.

it's the owners wish after all. unlike some,i do care

also he put it up for "sale"

To the offer I added a M.Flies Pot, c9 Rebel rouser, Pro KS Scattergun kit fabricator (only 2 cheap parts left to finish) and 8 pure

http://i.imgur.com/hV6EGQ9.png

I'm not trying to inflate the price of taco's hat, I just want a good goddamn antifreeze solly unusual.

it can hardly be called inflating. given it's a 1:1 hat you have to pay what he wants <.>

anyways,it's funny how most hightier AF solly hats either don't exist or aren't for trade

you could try getting the AF lucky <.> (or the warpig)

1 of 1 can lead to inflation.

also saying that you care in face of the owner because he wants this not to pass is quite biased.

So you see an offer far above 200 and don't close the suggestion, yet you still claim that YOU are not biased...

He confirmed himself that YOU said YOURSELF you aren't selling it. He also claimed that you are just 'reselling' to destroy this suggestion.

It's still an offer far above 200

It's invalid if you never claimed you're selling it. He later used those items to buy an AF War Pig anyway. Regardless, the offer is INVALID.

I was selling it when he made the offer. I decided not to after it was made. How is it invalid?

"I was selling it"

You were NOT. You confirmed yourself to Apo that you were NOT SELLING IT.

Plus if i was to include Apo's offer in this suggestion it would end up as an outlier more than something used to price this hat.

How does that make it an outlier? 1 sale and 1 good offer, I don't think you get to decide which is an outlier. And I was selling it, read the chat. "I thought I could sell it if I got a really good offer." Meaning yes, it was for sale.

1 good offer which turned invalid regardless vs about 9 other offers around or slightly less than the suggested value.

Show me proof of this chat as opposed to Apo's word.

this is the chat <_> http://i.imgur.com/rV661Q0.png

"Sorry I can't bring myself to sell it"

Game. Set. Match.

Yes, I realized that AFTER this offer was made, you can clearly see that in the chat. Same quote as before, "I thought I would be able to sell this if I got a really good offer" Also, nice how you didn't claim it was invalid until after it was shown to be above your suggested price, and now you turn to this argument to try to hold up the price you know is false

Invalidity forms at different aspects of discussions.

An outlierish price is shown to me as a second value is taken with these sweets. With the LARGE number of offers in the other Ground Control trade it is clear that this offer was an outlier. One good (and invalid) offer can't suddenly rise a price.

So basically what you're saying is that if I go make a ton of lowballs for 50 on a hat such as, for example, searing tc, the good offers don't count? Good to know.

I don't know what a Searing TC has to do with an AF Ground Control.

And i'm almost positive this argument has lost all body as you're so ignorant to listen to common fact just to raise something out of opinion.

Rather than waste my energy with repeating the same thing over and over again i'll be off to suggest. Leave this up to the mods.

"Just to raise something out of opinion." I believe both that offer and the multiple high sales/offers I provided on the mercs prove that it is not, as you claim, "opinion."

The searing TC thing was an example. I was putting your statement in perspective. I guess the words "For example" don't make it clear enough to you.

I don't want to "raise something out of opinion." I don't want this to be priced if its not going to accurately show the worth of the hat and what I paid.

http://gyazo.com/268ad6a0f8720571dc10f3400dfa7e47 Everyone's opinion on your inflation of the Mohawk Price.

I'm DONE.

Complain to a mod now, not me.

Congrats you got your friends to mass down vote me. And those down votes were BEFORE I gave good proof for the Mohawk, which you can see if you would bother to scroll down. I'd be happy to talk to someone who isn't blinded by their dislike for me.

Its back on the market. I realized I'm bad at soldier and don't need a 250 key hathttp://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26093155#latest

um, yea, I bought an antifreeze war pig with my items instead, so i guess that makes my offer invalid as I don't have the items for it anymore.

also #morecommentsthanvoteshype?

Don't see how it's invalid, the offer still happened, and I could have accepted if I wanted to.

idk i don't know how this all works <_>

At this point even I'm confused since taco's arguments are so poorly stated, worded and founded that it's worse than trying to decipher French from Cyrillic.

I'm waiting on mod opinion to see what action needs to be taken.

the offer was made via trade offers and declined. it is a valid offer,it doesn't matter what you say

I changed my mind, I am reselling it, meaning it can't be priced yet.

I am 99.99% certain you did that JUST to piss us off

No, I did it because now wearing this hat is just gonna make me think of this fucking bullshit.

Good for you, you won't wear it because it'll remind you that we are right, and you on the wrong side of the tracks.

Thank you for saying what needed to be said.

Not a problem. Always willing to speak what's on my mind, whether that may get me in trouble or not.

If it was being priced at what I paid I would be fine with it, but it isn't, the Mohawk was worth 250

You see this- http://imgur.com/d8zGvUs

You declined an offer that involved a Sulph. Ground control which according to the offerer is asking 180-200 keys, AKA his B/O, You then responded with "it has been sold for 60 in the past" which means... You used real evidence that involved the hat being sold for real items and you valued it at what it had been sold for. You sir, are the largest hypocrite I've seen in a while, you are saying just because the mohawk had a b/o of 250 and thats what you valued it at means that it was worth that much, however according to people that actually attempt to price things on a non biased point of view, it was worth 220. Thats people using the SALES like you did to try and evaluate the sulphorous ground control. Youre entire argument is invalid and by changing your mind to resell it you are only manipulating the prices to try and make it so you are right, which you are completely not. This sale is completely valid as far as i can tell.

I looked at offers to determine the value of the mercs, you guys are acting like i just randomly decided that the mercs should be 250 which is completely untrue

These are your offers:

Beams Minnesota Slick(~115)+Knifestorm Peculiarity(~75)

Knifestorm Bicorne(250 but declined cuz he's had that for forever)

Beams Thirst+TF Gibus(250 but declined cuz same story with the gibus as with the bicorne)

Beams Thirst+Mallard Deep cover(200)

The real values:

Minnesota slick(110)+pecularit(75)= 195 without overpay if you accepted

Knifestorm bicorne(75???) In what way in hell is that 250?

Beams Thirst(92)+gibus(???) As you said he has had it for a while so I am assuming its not going to go for 150 so this offer is at least 200 without overpay but no more than 235 without overpay, im assuming, will try to price this in a bit=200-235 without overpay

Beams Thirst(92)+mallard DCO(97.5)=189.5 without overpay

None of these offers exceed the suggested value :/

Correct, I did not get offers of this value. However, these did:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25445091 -Frostbite TC(sold for around 400), Burning Masque(About 285 at the time)

Another SOLD for Burning Pomade(300+)+Vivid Bunsen+30 pure.

It was also a secret to everybody bicorne, I goofed, it's fixed now.

The best route for me seems to be to find a sale for the burning pomade, figure out what another sale I found was, and resuggest the mohawk from there, then come back with a counter for this.

1. I COMPLETELY doubt that the bicorne is anywhere near 250 keys anymore due to there not being any valid sales at all for it within at least 6 months

2. Wheres the proof of the pomade sale.

I'm not saying I can prove the bicorne, just saying that's what his price was for purpose of me putting it as a past offer.

Pomade: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25716101 has it as his C/O and he had it after

He also offered on this one: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25726259 and that one paid everything here to buy the mohawk: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25510064

You're trying to prove that the suggested range is incorrect with one single offer that occurred almost 2 months ago despite there being a sale and several offers near the suggested range? You cannot prove something as an outlier with a single offer.

Also you said you had an offer of a searing kiss king, in which you responded with"lol no" which was not only rude but you clearly thought the offer was low

I didn't even bother checking the price because its the same effect and mercs is a better hat.

Single offer? There's the pomade, the frostbite TC, the masque,

The sale for 290 in unusuals:

Backpack before: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198135742564?time=1429254000

His alt's backpack after: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198106416256?time=1429340400

and then the sale where all of these: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25510064 were paid for one.

First you cant use sales that involve a scammer lol, he sold the hat to somebody banned from bp.tf for several pending reports on steamrep that seem true. Making that sale invalid. I will try to look further into the other sale

Ah, I didn't realize that, sorry.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26048069 got an offer of a Harvest Slick + Peace Fro (about 200~)

bam enough proof for a resuggestion

What? It was retracted, probly due to this bullshit suggestion

I'd say it's more likely it was retracted because you had declined it

Just sayin'

Actually it's a little bit of both.

You denied the offer, it wasnt "retracted"

It was retacted after he declined it.

I dont think that should count as "retracted" but whatever

This makes literally 0 sense.

Wow, this shitstorm is ridiculous for a suggestion like this, especially since (as far as I can see) you're fixing a mistake in the owners advantage. Why are people saying youre dropping a price anyway, youre setting one..

Because its not in my advantage, the Mohawk is worth more than he's valuing it at.

Not as far as I can see. However, the previous suggestion on this had a lower value, because items that weren't involved were listed as well, which was fixed. This suggestion, compared to the other, was in fact in your advantage.

That suggestion was closed because it had a mistake which was easily pointed out lol. I would prefer it to just not be priced rather than have them price it at less than I paid.

Yes, and it is fixed here. Thats exactly what I said

#gettingmoreshitthenme

Still don't get why you can't make it 200 flat. Always better to round like this,

Rounding is useless to me unless it's with a decimal point so

Funnily enough, if you did round for some reason, this suggestion would fall into the area where you can suggest using one sale without waiting a month.

I guess 198 is close enough anyways.

Regardless of the massive argument above, it's still being resold: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26093155

I have a feeling it won't sell in the next two weeks, but you never know - should just close this until it hits the one month mark.